Electric Cars

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  1. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Regardless of whether that stationary generator is in your backyard or Central to the power grid.

    You can't make electricity for free

    The advantage of having a power plant contained within the vehicle is unlimited range recharge on the fly. Far fewer components.
     
  2. Polydectes

    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    But it doesn't mechanically engage the drive train.
     
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    ImNotOliver Well-Known Member

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    There is another aspect. With solar, wind, and hydro projects, there is a somewhat steep startup cost, but it pays for itself in several years. Thereafter, the electricity is free. With gas and oil, one has to continue to buy that gas and oil, year after year.
     
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    The only place where hydrogen fuel has been proven workable has been in Iceland. They use the energy from steam vents coming off of their volcano, which is essentially free.
     
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    That’s a BS and idiotic comparison.
     
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    Russ103 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How so? Sewers are a publicity funded/maintained project. Solar panels on an individual’s (key word) home is not.
     
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    What he says about low energy density of renewables is all true.

    Second, there is one tiny problem, though, with nuclear: IT IS NON-RENEWABLE. At current consumption rates, the world reserves are predicted to last 135 years. Now, imagine how that number shrinks if lots of fossil fuel electricity generation is replaced by nuclear? The only solution to that problem would be breeder technology, because it would extract more than 3% of the latent energy in uranium.

    Third, the virtue signaling about the birds and the wind turbines doesn't fly. Somehow, these people only get concerned about the environment when it comes to wind power and concentrated solar.
     
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    I don't know where you live. But I had to pay a fee for sewer hook up. Couldn't build the house without it.
     
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    I suspect that PG&E will be sued for intentionally cutting power too- they are in a no-win situation. The wisdom of California et-al is going to bankrupt them, along with much of the infrastructure systems of the state. Already happening.
     
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    My education was in physics but I have always worked as a R&D design engineer. At some point I came to the conclusion that I should strive to go all electric. My thinking was largely influenced by two arguments. The first being that I lived in a somewhat rural area. It was not all that uncommon to hear of someone's propane tank blowing up.

    The second is that electricity is a fundamental force of nature. I know enough, that I can always harness electricity. Even if there was a nuclear war and the infrastructure was wiped out, I could still keep the lights on.

    On the society level, I find it a bit unnerving that most people become dependant on gasoline and thus must give a portion of their income to gas stations on a regular basis. Kind of like how an alcoholic buys alcohol or an addict buys drugs.

    Electricity allows for everyone to create their own. Generate your own electricity, grow your own weed and vegetables. Life is good.
     
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    Depends on your definition of free. I can stick a couple of electrodes into a potato and get an electric current.

    I could make a little paddle wheel, stick it in the stream that runs across my property, couple it with any electric motor, generator, or alternator that may be laying around, and whala free electricity.
     
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    Only in your opinion!

    In REALITY local ordinances for building standards are regularly UPDATED to INCLUDE new materials, building methods, etc, etc, etc.

    There is NO DIFFERENCE between a building standard that stipulates the REQUIREMENT for the type of indoor plumbing or electrical wiring code than there is with a REQUIREMENT to install solar panels.
     
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    The CONNECTION to the sewage system is the responsibility of the individual homeowner at their OWN EXPENSE.
     
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    No I had not heard that story!!! I know a guy who toured with him for over 20 years I'll have to ask him about!!!
     
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    IF you can get that far in the traffic IF there is some place to stay within that 100 miles IF there is some place you can recharge to get back home, damage and power outages can extend that far inland. Then once you get back home and you have no power.
    Don't even try to make the case there wouldn't be any more difficulty with a electric vehicle.
     
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    Exactly a ICE would require a clutch which would not last very long trying to get that load moving and the peak torque comes midrange in the curve. The electric motor has peak torque at the start of the curve and no clutch. Once you get that load up to speed the loading drops and with a train running on metal wheels on a metal track with low rolling resistance, and slow gradual grade increases it takes a fraction of that power to keep the load going.
     
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    Prove that any EV has FAILED to safely leave the area prior to a hurricane BECAUSE they were driving an EV.
     
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    On the flat?
     
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    Ever hear of a backup generator? Or batteries? I got news for you and all the other climate change deniers, without power the entire world will stop. It is a necessary part of a modern society. Your point here is silly. No power for any reason is a disaster these days.
     
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    When does an electric vehicle use the most power? Getting started. What are you doing when you are in that evacuation traffic? Constantly starting and stopping. Plus you have loaded everything you can into it increasing the load. Plus it's 95 degrees and 95% humidity outside but you can't run the AC because it will further drain your battery. Plus you can't be running all your other accessories.
     
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    This is the Huey P. Long Bridge going over the Mississippi in Avondale LA. The train tracks are in the middle and starts it's incline WAY back in order for the train to he able to make it over.
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    There’s no other option though is there? Or is well/septic an option where you live?

    Point is, you shouldn’t be forced to pay for solar, when utility companies are offering a cheaper alternative. Again, it should be up to the consumer.
     
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    Arguments are a dime a dozen.
    Gas car burn gas even when they aren't moving. You can run out of gas just trying to get out of town.
     
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    Use nuclear generated electricity or one of newer technologies to produce the hydrogen. Address the safety concerns, certainly doable. Give me a hydrogen powered turbine vehicle with a decent range and easy immediate refueling...rear wheel drive and 6 speed manual like my BMW Z4 3.0.....:clapping:
     

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