How can homosexuality not be a perversion?

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    I don't have any skin in your game, sorry. People are 'free' to do whatever they want, and enjoy the consequences of their actions .. good or bad. No idea what you're getting at, here.

    My ONLY point was that expressing sexuality is optional. And there are many many instances of time and place in which the expressing of sexuality isn't a good idea .. hence the majority of mammals spend the majority of their individual lives NOT expressing sexuality.
     
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    Cool! So you're not bigoted about Trump supporters? The white working classes in flyover states? Uneducated rednecks? Religious people? Conservatives? etc etc? Excellent. You're close to perfect.
     
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    Behavioral science tells us that cults/fads/trends etc are contagious, particularly amongst young people with low self-esteem. And of course, humans can make themselves believe and do ANYTHING (see: religion), if it feels momentarily like a win.
     
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    Almost all arranged marriages begin (and sometimes remain) without intimacy.
     
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    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    Its very rare that an arranged marriage will actually have no intimacy whatsoever at any time. But if people want to use marriages that way, they are welcome to.
     
  6. WillReadmore

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    The issue of LGBTQ equality that is before the SCOTUS involves rights at work.

    Employment.

    I was asking about your support for individuals who are performing all job functions well, and who are LGBTQ.
     
  7. crank

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    How on earth would I know if someone is LGBT (as a recruiting employer)? I could only know such intimate details of a complete stranger's private life if they advertised it loudly .. and anyone who does that isn't going to be working for me either way.
     
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    Dunno who the hell you think you're kidding.
    More accurately, it almost comes within a country mile of bearing a vague resemblance to a boilerplate argument that is shallow enough for someone with your capabilities to deal with, so refutation of that argument passes in your mind for refutation of my argument.
    Presumably it appears so to those under the illusion that science has ever filled any "gaps".
    lol
    It really is long past time you learned to distinguish between my assertions and those of the voices in your head.
    lol
     
  9. crank

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    I didn't say that, I said they almost all start out with no intimacy. And some remain without it, yet are still successful and stable.

    PS: By 'intimacy' I mean romantic closeness, not sex.
     
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    Sure, you’d make a great marriage counselor, not.
    Including the fictitious one between Mary and Joseph.
     
  11. WillReadmore

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    This issue is certainly not limited to hiring decisions.

    Employers and employees do end up knowing each other.

    The question is, when an employer discovers an employee is LGBTQ, what action may they take?

    The SCOTUS is considering that issue right now - this is FAR from being hypothetical.

    I just asked what your opinion would be on firing a employee whose job performanc is exemplary were the employee be discovered to be LGBTQ.

    Then, you dodged, by the way.
     
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    I don't see how that is relevant to questions of discrimination against LGBTQ individuals.
     
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    You didn't those details, at all. Ergo I dodged nothing. I said plainly that as an employer, I would hope not to know the details of the sex life of my staff. And since unlawful dismissal is a thing, once the person is employed and performing, there is nothing further to say on the matter.

    I will add though .. that I would personally never hire anyone who is overtly gay or lesbian - or morbidly obese, or transgender, or smelly, or tattooed, or had face piercings - if they were going to being in any kind of customer service role. Customer service is a highly sensitive field, and depends very much upon the individual not being in any way confronting to the majority. Good business practice 101.
     
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    That’s a joke, really. You have some kind f a magic sixth sense that can determine who is gay and who is not ?
     
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    I said 'overtly'. Just like morbid obesity is the overt version of 'fat'.
     
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    Overtly, like wearing make up and an orange wig. How about fatso Trump ?
     
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    To which no one has argued against that specific point. Well maybe Mac.....

    However, you have been using that as an argument as to why we shouldn't be allowing same sex marriage, and trying to claim the allowance as extra or special benefits, which is what is wrong.

    As noted, interracial, same sex and consanguineous marriages are or were all banned types, and pretty much for the same reasons, which essentially boils down to they squick people out. And their bans are all unconstitutional. But just because they are all unconstitutional does not mean they can all be corrected at once. Unless you are making the argument that we should not have lifted the ban on interracial marriage because we were not lifting the ban on same sex at the same time, then you have no basis for saying same sex should not be allowed since we're not allowing consanguineous marriage.
     
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    That is indeed what marriage is socially, but legally it's not a requirement. And when you have legal benefits, people will want them even outside the normal reasons. The example given of the grandmother and granddaughter; they are wanting to share their lives together. It may not be for romantic reasons, but why should that be any less valid for a legal marriage?


    Yes let's make it harder for people to get out of abusive marriages. Force them to struggle even more to rid themselves of a toxic relationship. No thank you. We have enough problems now with abusers dragging the process down. Making it more expensive might be an idea and less likely to add to the abuse problem, but you might end up with more families where the parents aren't married. But I'm going to bring it right back to the issue of it being a legal marriage. The marriage you want to make serious again is the social one, and we should be using social pressure, not the force of law, to bring that change about. By the logic you gave we could really make marriage serious again by bringing back arranged marriages and establish it through law.

    What marriage benefits should and should not exist really is a whole other topic. One that has nothing to do with who is and isn't allowed to obtain the legal status. For the context of this thread, what is there is there. And thus, the argument that people can just go get the same benefits through other legal means is proven wrong.

    Not if they are both US citizens to begin with.
     
  19. Maquiscat

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    We get physical pain if we do not eat, thus driving us to eat, even if it isn't pleasant. On the other, ignoring the myth of blue balls and noting women don't have an equivalent myth, a lack of sex will not bring physical pain. Emotional longing, perhaps. But not physically pain. Thus is does not automatically follow that pleasure is a direct motivator for procreation.
     
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    Even then, the government didn't get into the recording and tracking of marriage as a legal institution until later. Marriage licenses is a historically new idea.
     
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    You missed the point. The argument is what are those qualifications that should be in law? And we have people here who claim that same sex does not meet those qualifications, and thus shouldn't be in the law.
     
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    I missed no point. I think that’s settled as far as same sex is concerned. States can vary some restrictions as long as they don’t run afoul of federal guild lines.
     
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    It's not very healthy nor advantageous to our survival if we wait until we are in pain to begin to search out food. What happen's when you smell that steak being cooked or cookies being baked or see those just picked apples in a barrel? What happen's when a man gets a glimpse of a woman's breast or a woman sees a man flex his biceps? I believe you will find volumes of works on how the survival of our species is dependent in the sex drive which is driven by the pleasure derived.
     
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    We can survive very well (and remain healthy and well adjusted) without sex. We can't go a week without food.
     
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    They were banned because of procreation, since marriage was always regulatory mechanism of procreation.
    Homosexual relationship have nothing to do with marriage.
     
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