Trump may come out of this latest Kurd debacle smelling like a rose

I understand what you are saying ... This is different than the people of Syria who fight against the radical Islamist Jihadist proxy army who wants to turn Syria into a strict sharia Islamic State. There is such a thing of fighting to keep your freedom.

 

Israel has the same thing the Kurds had: a largely token US military base to add to all the other signals out there saying: a serious attack on Israel is an attack on the US. Unlike the Kurds, however, the pro Israel lobby in the US (which has done Israel's bidding redrawing the political map in each turn) isn't going to allow anyone to 'abandon' Israel.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-first-us-establishes-permanent-military-base-in-israel/
In first, US establishes permanent military base in Israel

 

1) Well Assad wasn't disposed - wishful thinking is not going to solve the Kurd issue.

2) That is for the people of Syria to Decide - not for the US to decide.

Saddam "should have been- and was disposed of" How you figure 5 Trillion dollars - 5000 US soldiers dead and tens of thousands physically and psychologically wounded - hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's dead - was not worth it.

Arming radical Islamist extremists - to dispose of Assad - an action that resulted in 400,000 dead, the refugee crisis, and creation of an Islamic State in Syria - is not justified because the US does not care much for Assad.

This has little do with Trump - This is a mess Obama Created. Further - both Russia and the US have been urging the Kurds to make a deal with Demascus .. and this is what has happened.

Your claim that there is some strategic damage is unsupported - I disagree with this claim.

The world already has a huge number of reasons not to trust us as allies and partners - some of which has to do with Trump - some from Obama - but the Kurd's are a relatively small issue on a relative basis - albeit yet another contribution to the long list. This is time #8 that we have betrayed the Kurds ...

The above is hyperbolic, assumed premise fallacy, and simply not true. There are plenty of blunders Trump is making on the Geopolitical chessboard that are harming us and helping our adversaries .. but not "Everything he does".

 

Yeah, that's actually not true

Seems silly to lie about something so easily disproven

They think the same as the repubs

It was a colossally stupid idea, that we yet again have to fix another screw up by donnie

And why can't that idiot ever give the military a little heads up. I mean I know he's not a big fan of our troops, but c'mon

 

Yeah, 90% failure rate is worth bragging about

 

Where do we ask?

Beside that you dont protect us.

 

So kurds are pirates???

LMAO

 

While your message is actually somewhat correct in what it tries to portray, there are several things that need to be added to it and subtracted from it.

First, most military organizations are composed mainly of individuals who join them for totally non-ideological reasons. I don't think the over representation of African Americans and Hispanics in the US military has much to do with their ideological predisposition to serve as tools of neocon agendas!

Second, while military organizations sponsored by a state also use societies indoctrination in notions of patriotism or nationalism to fill up their ranks, and such notions are themselves tied to a form of ideology and may even include religious based beliefs, sub-national organizations also rely on sub-national group identification factors (sectarian, ethnic etc) to make their recruitment.

Finally, you can make clear distinctions in the overall combat capability of military units which are more as opposed to less indoctrinated in their particular ideology. The more indoctrinated, the greater the risks and casualties such units are willing to take before they surrender or are vanquished. Professionally trained armies are themselves made 'professional' by a certain degree of indoctrination. But the least indoctrinated armies are those whose ranks are filled basically by illiterate or semi-literate peasants who are totally non-ideological and entirely focused on what you described. Which is basically the kind of Arab forces Israelis used to fight.



Those who are the least indoctrinated, and primarily a mercenary force, on the other hand will only show combat capability when the operations they undertake have low risk and result in few casualties.

 

Wow! What sort of word sandwich is that? It has all the indicators of verbosity without substance and is even contradictory. In this context, WTF is a neocon agenda? All I can tell you Mr Iran is this....there would not be one person in the Australian military who enlisted because of an ideology. They enlist for all sorts of other reasons, and they become a very valued and efficient fighting force, motivated by a chain of command bubbling down to company and even individual orders. They simply do the job which is whatever the Government has asked of them. No need for that silly over-reach.

 

Why do you think the Kurds are extremists?

 

Bush=Australia.. oh dear I just got it.

 

The verbosity has substance to it, but here I will make it easier:
No army or militia is purely ideological, but the more ideological (whether based on patriotism, nationalism, religious, ethnic, or even professional), the more likely a force won't run away at the first sign of casualties.

 

Rubbish. No ideology driven wanker likes the sight of blood. Would you say ISIS was driven by an ideology? How'd that go? (And yes, Trump's decision to leave the field gives it a chance at resurgence.) A disciplined, well trained Military will always defeat one run on the basis of an ideology.

 

The Constitution is not long enough to wipe Trump's ass clean of this shyt.

 

Hi Mr Dobbs! A Picture is worth a thousand werds^^^^^

 

You got the Australian bit.....but that is not why I use the tag Bush Lawyer. Maybe Google will be your friend.

 

Great photo! Trump cannot maintain the "I get photographed with zillions of people," while right there is Rudy. That photo would have been their entree into Ukraine people. "Look, here I am with Donald, I am powerfully connected."

 

I will respond to this, although its clear you are like the "Australian military": in search of a purpose or reason to argue, without having one already My comments relate to the role of ideological indoctrination, not other factors. To isolate that issue by itself, you need to assume all other things being equal. When that is the case, the ideologically motivated force will prevail (easily) over the one that isn't and is there just for the benefits. I can, of course, give a lot of examples of well trained, elite, units losing out to much smaller, ideologically, driven forces, but the more the more the variables are changed, the more the issue will be susceptible to arguments which I am not interested in engaging right now.

 

False. The best example to debunk your statement is Afghanistan. A disciplined, well trained millitary failed to defeat ideological one. Talibans are yet to be defeated. Highly unlikely. Once we withdraw, which is inevitable, they will take over the country again. Even the British empire failed in Afghanistan.

 

Yes, but not because a disciplined Military failed. The west failed because it was never totally committed. If the USA wanted to wipe those Tribal leaders and their fellow campers out in a determined way...it would have done so. Tokenism does not work.

 

Gawd..another word sandwich.

Go right ahead. Give me a lot of examples.

 

Interesting to me about this interview is that the colonel talking with Tucker states that the Kurds are Maoist communists, They are not, but Tucker lets the remark go without challenge or correction.

 

Lutsenko says the Bidens did nothing wrong. Giuliani was paid $500,000 and Bolton called him a hand grenade..

 

It will require reading

Anyway, here is one for now. Some excerpts so your brain won't be too burdened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bint_Jbeil
Battle of Bint Jbeil

 

During the cold war you had 400,000 army people protecting you from Russia.
Sure you were very much protected.
Even now there are almost 50,000.