Trump Said He Has 3 Choices To Deal With Turkey Over Invasion

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    Jeannette wants to blame everyone EXCEPT Assad.
     
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    That’s Jeannette, and I’ll give her credit—she’s good at making the sour and the guilty look like the sweet and the innocent.
     
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    Its important to remember that Syria has no oil to speak of... so the claims that this civil war is about stealing Syrian oil is asinine.
     
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    Our fight was with ISIS. That fight is over. So why should we stay?
     
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    He had 4 before he screwed up.
     
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    Working as intended, these aren't "The Kurds". This is a group, actually several groups, of people vying for territory and trying to carve out their own nation from the currently drawn sovereign maps. Some of them are even Communists (PKK) that we have branded terrorists. Didn't we learn our lesson with Syria in the beginning?

    Trumps voters want the troops home, period. If you want to be angry you should be about about Saudi Arabia, but for now, it seems like they are mostly THAAD and other defensive troops to defend a sovereign government and not in a some "coup d'tat" style insurgency force like in Syria. I am "more ok" with that ... I guess ... but not by much.

    I can definitely attack Trump on that, but how then in the same breath can some of you guys attack Trump for leaving Syria?

    It's literally us continuing to keep other sides up in an endless war, this is LITERALLY the so called "Military Industrial Complex", for Christ's Sake people haven't we all been pissed about this for a long time? This is a picture perfect spot where we are holding up several insurgency groups, THIS IS A MOVIE ALREADY WRITTEN!!!!

    Again, this is not "Kurdistan", they are trying to create their own state and unless we want to have an MUCH bigger war with Syria and NATO ally Turkey (yeah I know they often suck, but they are still NATO) we shouldn't get involved. What happened to "Look at all the bases we have around the map, they are bad!!!" Those same people are bitching at Trump for bringing our troops out.

    In the end, Progressives/Communists are showing themselves to stand for nothing, like the NBA, like Hollywood and like basically every other one of them who claim to be "woke", they aren't "woke of anything more than the Dollar and the collapse of the US for centralized power.

    The NeoCons are at least easy to figure out, they are just corrupt SOB's who have been draining the nation of cash to enrich their ever lengthening laundry list of swamp filth.
     
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    Interestingly, I kind of agree with everything you said (except the US forces send to Wahhabi Arabia, which may eventually entangle the US in an 'endless war' that will make all the others look rather tame by comparison).

    But it is still not as clear as you imagine that Trump is actually trying to simply end America's involvement in 'endless wars' (as he is claiming) or whether he is trying to better prepare America for another endless war to come?

    Otherwise, America (and Russia frankly) should get out of the ME and let the chips fall where they may. The region needs an endogenous solution and balance of power. Enough of the outside meddling.
     
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    Margot you keep repeating the same lies over and over again about Syria not having oil, why? Why do you want to keep the American people in the dark as to why we have bases east of the Euphrates where Syria's oil and gas is, and why we wanted the Kurds to take that land. Grabbing the oil wells is also one of the reasons Turkey invaded.

    Here's a bit of reality from RT:

    With the Syrian Army on the move, pressure is mounting on Turkey, according to Joshua Landis, director of the Center for Middle East Studies at the University of Oklahoma.

    “The Syrian government is going to try to go across and get the oilfields, the gas fields that are so crucial for Syria’s economic wellbeing,” he said, adding that they also want to take control over prime agricultural land and the Tabqa Dam, which the Americans and the Kurds have held. Landis fears that without enough diplomatic effort, an all-out war could break out between Turkey and Syria.​
     
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    Of course Margot we don't need Syria's oil and gas, but we want to keep Syria from having it and rebuilding their country. Strange how we hate secular and tolerant nations, but love extremists whether they be Wahabbis or nationalists. Says something about us doesn't it?





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    We had to leave Syria. Turkey was going to attack regardless of whether our troops were there or not, and had they killed American soldiers in the process, who knows where it might have led to.

    Besides, the original plan was to go in with Turkey, and make sure they didn't start their ethnic cleansing - especially of Christians which is common with them. The American people though didn't want more troops in Syria, what we wanted was out.
     
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    Its also being reported we will not be exiting those areas(US), only in the north near the current action. Reassurance patrols are taking place there currently. We will see if a full pull out from Syria is in the future or if destabilization will continue.
     
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    Everything depends on the political process going on now in Syria, and which hopefully will include the Kurds. I feel that the anger of many in Washington will rip Turkey apart economically - and considering that they have also angered Russia, it's doubtful they will get help from there.

    I think Erdogan signed his death warrant.
     
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    No more U.S. weapons for Turkey, I guess. ;)
     
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    Actually I meant Erdogan signed his death warrant literally. If this move backfires as it will, he will be killed - which might not be a good thing no matter how many in Washington and Nato want it.

    The Turkish people have been fed so much propaganda about being victimized by others, that anyone who takes Erdogan's place, will have to prove himself and that could make war inevitable - especially in the Aegean and Eastern Mediterranean.
     
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    But Erdogan is the new Calif, he cant be killed. ;)
     
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    The Kurds made a deal with the Syrian government, and Assad's army is now going to the Turkish Syrian border. Russia might have to use all their diplomatic skills to keep a war from breaking out - that is unless Turkey is looking for a way to save face. Who knows? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.


    Syrian Army meet US troops on a highway as American forces move out from Kobani. Wondering if they waved to each other…pic.twitter.com/iNvBy0By0w

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    Yes. Here in the USA, the President is the Commander in Chief of our military.

    Who makes those decisions in your country?
     
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    "The exact degree of authority that the Constitution grants to the president as commander-in-chief has been the subject of much debate throughout history, with Congress at various times granting the president wide authority and at others attempting to restrict that authority." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander-in-chief#United_States
     
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    Jeannette. Why do you think Syria's oil sector went into steep decline in 1995 from 350,000 bpd to 35,000 bpd in 2010?

    Russia Is Taking Over Syria’s Oil And Gas | OilPrice.com

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Russia-Is-Taking-Over-Syrias-Oil-And-Gas.html

    Feb 14, 2018 · Russia Is Taking Over Syria’s Oil And Gas. An early USGS estimate put Syria’s potential offshore gas reserves at 24 TCf (700 BCm), more than double of its onshore gas, while its oil reserves at a “mere” 50 million tons, a sixth of its onshore oil reserves.
     
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    Syrian oil fields are of no importance. Syria as a transit state is another matter although the European gas market is flat. Syria offshore reserves would be valuable to RUSSIA.


    Russia's Energy Goals in Syria - The Washington Institute ...

    https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/fikraforum/view/russias-energy-goals-in-syria

    Russian energy companies are looking to renew and expand their investments in the Syrian energy sector. But their aim is not to explore and extract Syria’s modest petroleum reserves—Russia has plenty. Rather, they seek to actively participate in rebuilding and operating Syrian oil and gas infrastructure.

    By undertaking such a massive endeavor, Russian energy companies hope to control significant portions of pipelines, liquefaction facilities, refineries, and terminals, thus capitalizing on Syria’s potential as a transit hub for regional oil and gas heading to Europe. In doing so, Russia will not only expand its dominance in the Eastern Mediterranean, a dream since the Caucasian Wars of the nineteenth century, but also solidify its stranglehold on the European gas supply.

    Regional Interests

    From a production standpoint, Syria never had much value to the Russian petroleum industry.

    Syrian oil reserves are at 2.5 billion barrels, only .2 percent of the global share, while its 8.95 billion cubic meters (bcm) of gas are insufficient to meet even domestic demands.

    Nevertheless, in 2010, Tatneft entered the Syrian market with a development in the South Kisham field near Deir-ez-Zor, which is believed to contain 4.9 million tons of oil.

    In 2013, with the war entering its bloodiest period, Russian company Soyuzneftegaz won an exclusive tender to explore and develop Syria’s offshore gas reserves in Block 12, adding to the company's modest holdings near Syria’s border with Turkey. Both companies have since suspended their operations, blaming security concerns for their decision. However, Russian energy companies are determined to return.

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    Aug 30, 2017 ·
     
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    Well, I'm not one of Soros' liberal one world government freaks if that's what you mean. Of course Trump makes those decisions - after all national boundaries are needed. This doesn't mean though that I will always be in agreement with Trump, since there are too many traitorous influences in Washington from self serving lobbyists aka think tanks.

    I will give Trump credit for fighting them and also their cohorts in the press.




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    Margot I'm going to assume the oil went into decline because the wells were either taken over or being destroyed by jihadists, but since I don't know the time line I really can't be definite.

    Anyway when I speak of Syrian oil and gas, I'm not talking about large amounts. I'm only talking about the amounts needed by Syria to rebuild its country. This is what Washington and its cohorts in the Middle East and Europe wanted to deny them.

    As for Russia, Trump asked them to be generous in the Arctic. Considering how generous Russia has been in the past and how they have forgiven debts, they probably will be - if treated fairly that is. If the neo con Russophobia continues though, then it might be China's gain.
     
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    Syrian oil production went south from 350,000 bpd in 1995 to 35,000 pbd in 2010.
     
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    What many are overlooking is that the intervention in Syria was not just by the US, but by a US lead coalition.
    The US is withdrawing it's troops, but try as I might I can't find any news saying that Britain or France are sending in more of their troops to make up the shortfall. :confusion:
     

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