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Trump levels sanctions on Turkey in attempt to contain the chaos wrecked by his Syria withdrawal

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  1. truth and justice

    truth and justice Well-Known Member

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    It was a matter of minutes between Trump withdrawing US troops and Turkey shelling Syrian villages. And it's not in NATO's remit to get involved as no NATO country was attacked by another country
     
    truth and justice, Oct 15, 2019
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    So the European countries don't have any interest in making sure the ISIS soldiers are safely kept?
     
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  3. truth and justice

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    I'll repeat my previous post. What, you think in those minutes between Trump withdrawing US troops and Turkey shelling Syrian villages, it would be possible to get European or UN troops to replace those US troops? Perhaps you could explain how?
     
    truth and justice, Oct 15, 2019
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    Mmm the troops in Syria will be, maybe later deployed
     
    struth, Oct 15, 2019
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  5. PARTIZAN1

    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Hey the Prince of Saudistan is good buds with Sonny In Law Jared and he has member of Enemies of the People aka journalists killed and dismembered so our Trumpocity loves him some Saudi. Remember Trump held hands and did the Arabian Sword dance with Prince Chop Em Up. Dullah.
     
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  6. TurnerAshby

    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

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    I'll repeat my previous answer, When did I say within minutes? It's been a few days has there been any Nato response?
     
    TurnerAshby, Oct 15, 2019
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  7. TurnerAshby

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    Why don't you give the full history of US Saudi relationship not just stop at Trump ?
     
    TurnerAshby, Oct 15, 2019
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    Here's my thing on the whole deal, if you wanna be critical of the execution of this whole deal that's fine but the general concept of removing troops from proxy wars is good not bad. I'm not concerned with the Kurds and nobody was before about last week. There really is no good answers when it comes to middle East conflict except for us not to be involved. As far as our security we should be focused on safety at home. The reason I say that is because almost all of our involvement in the middle East ends up with us being drawn into other people's fight.
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    The thread topic is Trump's behavior regarding the ME so why would I risk getting the thread creator made at me for trying to derail his thread.
     
    PARTIZAN1, Oct 15, 2019
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    Again where is Nato, where are the governments in Europe? It's been days now what news is there about these other governments being proactive ?
     
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    The thread is about Syria and Turkey not Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is sorta apart of this story but to act like Trump was the only US president with close ties is disingenuous. The Us government with or without Trump has maintained close ties with Saudi Arabia
     
    TurnerAshby, Oct 15, 2019
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    Trump told them he'd already beaten ISIS.. Remember?
     
    Margot2, Oct 15, 2019
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    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

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    :banana:
     
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    That's true.. as far back as Roosevelt.
     
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    TurnerAshby Well-Known Member

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    By locking up soldiers right ?
     
    TurnerAshby, Oct 15, 2019
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    Every VIP to visit KSA gets the same tour.. Even me.
     
    Margot2, Oct 15, 2019
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    This is the so called destruction of Turkey's economy he spoke of. What a joke
     
    Moonglow, Oct 15, 2019
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    We still have 1,000 soldiers in Syria.
     
    Margot2, Oct 15, 2019
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    I believe we should bring just about all of our troops home.
    The way trump did it will only create more enemies however.

    I agree, we shouldn’t be involved in the ME.
     
    cd8ed, Oct 15, 2019
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    At this point I'm honestly not sure what we are expected to do. I was just in that region fighting ISIS not too long ago.

    We took out Saddam, Al-Qaeda ran amok, we took out Al-Qaeda, gave Iraq back to the Iraqi's, ISIS emerges, conquers Iraq, we go back to Iraq, we push ISIS out of Iraq, we more or less break apart the actual war machine of ISIS, we leave, ISIS will return, or Al-Qaeda, and now Turkey is causing issues.

    I watched this happen with my own eyes in both Iraq and Afghanistan. We secure parts of Afghanistan, we build outposts in villages, we keep the Taliban away, we fight alongside and train the Afghan Army and Police, we withdraw from the location, the Taliban returns. Rinse and repeat.

    What exactly are we supposed to do? We can't stay there forever. I understand that this is a slap in the face to the Kurds, I was there fighting alongside them. It was a slap in the face to me by the Iraqi government as I watched on live television as bases that we lived in were overrun by this new ISIS Army driving our own damn tanks. I was mad that Obama stood idle and did nothing, and I kept saying it on this very forum time and time again. I am 100% fine with us doing nothing, let that region deal with it's own mess and if ISIS controls Iraq then so be it. HOWEVER, DO NOT let ISIS mobilize into a deadly army and THEN send me back to fight them. Choose, and do it now Commander, either send me right now to kick them while they are small or do not send me back at all.

    Fast forward a few years later and I'm sitting in Iraq at the same base we occupied years prior, once again fighting terrorists in a war that we "won". A terror army that was allowed to grow from a band of misfits to one of the most deadly caliphates in centuries.

    This is a very real question that needs to be asked. It's easy to view the military as an "entity" but we are individual people also of course. Society often uses terms like "the military" or "the Army". "Send the Army". I am the "Army". So I ask society a question, and there is no right or wrong answer. How many times are you going to send ME back to this place to fight this war? How long do you want me to stay there?

    I recently shook hands and waved goodbye to a Soldier deploying to Afghanistan who was literally not born yet when this War on Terror began.

    How long do you want me to keep fighting? "Until the job is done" is not an answer Commander. Tell me how long.
     
    Nightmare515, Oct 15, 2019
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  21. truth and justice

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    I did not say that you said it. I've stated facts. So why don't you explain how troops from Europe or UN could have been deployed within those few minutes? I bet you think that peace keeping troops can just be dropped into a war zone, do you? And again you've stated NATO!
     
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    You've inferred alot above that I've not said and then asked a loaded question based on your inference.


    You could elaborate how you've come to such conclusions from my post if you wish.
     
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    Yes the king of lies, xaggerations and assorted BS did claim that he beat ISIS all by himself didn't he. And the Kurds who did 90% of the fighting were betrayed by the Lying King. Thank you for that reminder.
     
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    By leaving allies that we just asked to do the majority of the fighting against ISIS to be bombed.

    Ending our involvement over there is important, but at what cost? We just burned one of the only allies we've had in that region. The Kurds aren't going to forget this betrayal and neither will others, including present and potential future allies.

    It was cold-hearted and cruel what Trump did.

    And his drive to get us out of foreign wars did not stop him from sending more troops to Saudi Arabia than he pulled out of Syria. That means this likely has nothing to do with concern for our troops and everything to do with personally beneficial politics.
     
    Junkieturtle, Oct 15, 2019
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    PARTIZAN1 Well-Known Member

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    You got that right.
     
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