Why Indigeneous People Day?

I think what would do this country the most good would be a shut the hell up and be thankful for what you have day..

 

Native American Day is already Nov 29th this year: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_Heritage_Day

 

Trump's cues come from the left, what with the Democratic Party's insistence on identifying people through collective groups and tribes instead of recognizing the individual.

I have no problem with an "indigenous peoples day' although virtually nobody alive today is 100 percent descended from such people. But why do leftists wish to eliminate Columbus? I'm well aware of the reason, but feel free to provide your reasoning.

Some are, some are not. Although leftists seem to claim virtually all brown people as their voters and ostracize most all POC who show a conservative bent.

Why do they do this?

Identity politics, as I pointed out to the other person I responded to...

 

So the world would be better off if Columbus stayed home and there were still stone age savages sacrificing people to blood gods? I thought you folks were progressives, Columbus brought progress and you whine about it. How sad...

 

Actions of Columbus led to you having the ability to sit in a comfy chair, drink coffee, read this forum and trash America. If you were there at that time they’d just rip your heart out believing it would make the rain god happy.
You are the one who seem to miss out on a few books.

Columbus Day is not about Columbus himself, it’s about conquering America’s, the clash of civilizations. For good or bad, you live in it and are enjoying the benefits of that conquest. Trash it all you want, Maya and Aztecs wouldn’t think twice before killing you at first sight.

 

I'm astounded at the level of ignorance displayed by the right on this thread.

BTW, guess who were the ones who were really doing human "sacrifices" (or "slaughtering", I would call it) to a god in the 15th Century? Christians!

Columbus himself was responsible for millions of those. The Taiano population went from as many as 8 million in 1492 to 3 million in 1496. By the time Columbus left Hispaniola for the last time, the population was 100 thousand. But his policies continued. the Spanish census of the island in 1514 showed there were 22 thousand. And this is only counting the massacres (and slavery) carried out in and around Hispanola.

Exactly what a Trump supporter would call "progress"

 

Provide some evidence of these so-called Christian human sacrifices. Oh right, you are trying to be disingenuous and misleading, because it didn't happen at all. Yet we know of the blood sacrifices the natives were conducting. You so want the evil ones here to be the white Europeans, and in order to sell that nonsense you ignore everything the savages did, and the appallingly low level of technology they had. Progress was brought to this hemisphere on sails, by men like Columbus. Nobody said there wasn't associated costs, nobody is saying we'd do it exactly the same if had to be done today. Columbus was a great man, he did great things, what 'evil' he may have committed was as much a product of his time than the man himself...

 

Except he ain't the first white guy to make it to this continent.

 

And his opening up of this world is also historical fact. What exactly is gained by this revisionist history? Will it restore all the land to the indigenous people or make them whole again?

 

No idea, you'd need to ask the 'extreme right'. Or even just the Right.

Meantime, good luck with expunging from history everyone who did a bad thing by 21stC standards. You'll have us sanitised in no time!

 

Mean people (aka, everyone who existed until yesterday. and of those remaining - only those who voted correctly and had pure thoughts) make them feel icky and embarrassed.

 

1000%

 

Starts with the letter R.

 

The Inquisition never happened? Huh! And Columbus and his successors didn't slaughter and enslave those "soulless Indians"? Even the Crusades were still going on at the time..... You deny that happened too?

So let me ask you this. Totally unrelated but, in your opinion, did the Holocaust happen?

"The" natives? Which ones? There were literally tens of thousands of different cultures throughout the American continent at the time when Columbus arrived. Few of them practiced human sacrifice. None of them slaughtered human beings at the rate that the Europeans did.

General Education is not America's greatest strength. Maybe too much "home schooling" and not enough schools? That would be a good topic for another thread.

 

Yawn...

 

Except America put the, you know, Americas on the map. Columbus never left the Bahamas and died thinking he was in Japan.

 

Did he? That's very funny !

 

If people were serious that Columbus was the bad guy, they would just repeal his holiday as national holiday and leave it at that. Instead, they want to relabel it so they keep the paid holiday. It's simply laziness and nothing else.

 

Oh, the killings began centuries before Columbus hit the Western Hemisphere. "indigenous peoples" were not peaceful agrarians as portrayed by the Gramscians who wish to erase American History. They engaged in warfare, conquest, took slaves, engaged in human sacrifice (Mayans were particularly adept), murdered, raped and pillage each other long before Chris arrived. In other words they were no better than any other humans who had roamed the planet, but they were introduced to civilized peoples by the Europeans who came after Columbus. It was their bad fortune that the civilization they encountered were more advanced and evolution decided who was the fittest.

 

Remember, these 'kids' think in Disneyesque terms. Savages are always noble, and white people are always not.

It's just like the good old days of tv & film, when black guys were always the sidekick.

 

All you have to understand is that it's just an exercise in self-loathing for leftists.

 

Don't flatter them with humility, even false humility. This is about loathing The Other.

 

The underlying thesis itself is flawed. "Taking his day" is a failed notion. It was never "his day" or his land to begin with. Ergo, it cannot be "taken" from him and given to Indigenous people. BTW - having an Indigenous "day" is an insult. The true Indigenous People, were on this planet in full Human form for hundreds of thousands of years before anyone else got here. So, giving them merely a day, when the entirety of this planet belongs to them and their offspring is a bit much for someone who understands History to swallow without puking all over the place in the process.

Funny. Let's give "a day" to those who were here before anyone else. Hilarious and sad, both at the same time. A kind of sick joke, really. Only invaders (seemingly) from somewhere other than this world would even come up with such a delusional rationalization. That's like saying, let's give the Earth its own place in the solar system. Hubris. Pure, unadulterated hubris.

In case you did not already know, Hitler's Ancestry was part Jew and part African. Yeah, that's right. Part Jew and part African. Do the math on that one:

Source: https://www.history.com/news/study-suggests-adolf-hitler-had-jewish-and-african-ancestors


Source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/history...-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html
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The truth about your World is far stranger that fiction. Hitler, was not who the Fake Historians claim he was, nor the "guy" the public has been led to believe he was. Was he ruthless? Yes, indeed. He was. However, he knew the truth about the Ashkenazim and its History in this world and he knew the distinction between the Sephardim and Zionists. His was an attempt to deal with the Zionists in his country. However, he got torched by Fake Historians who have been the purveyors of lies, deceit, half-truths and Reichstag Moments in History since time and memorial.

Those same purveyors of lies also tainted the truth about those you now call "Indigenous" to America. Those "Indigenous" ones where here 10,000 to 12,000 years before Columbus was a itch in his fathers pants. And, they were Black People, who were descendants from the Motherland in what you now call "Africa." One of the names of these People we now know was the Olmec. Not, Indians. They were never called Indians.

Nothing on the surface of your world is what it appears to be. Absolutely, nada.

 

No Columbus means no Latinos. If you say Columbus should not have sailed, you mean Latinos should not exist. And that's racist.

 

You do not live in a world of truth anymore. That world paradigm is gone, transformed long ago. You now live in a world of total disinformation, utter beguilement and delusion.