Giuliani Says He Won’t Comply With Congressional Subpoena

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Testing Congress’ oversight powers, Rudy Giuliani announced Tuesday that he does not intend to comply with the congressional subpoena and will “see what happens” if the committees decide to enforce it.

    He added to ABC News that he is no longer retaining attorney Jon Sale and that he’ll get a new lawyer if Congress does try to force his compliance.
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/giuliani-congressional-subpoena-schiff-nadler-cummings
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    Surprise...........not. When you are the attorney for a prez with no respect for the law I guess you can't make your client look bad by complying with a lawful subpoena. That is, if Rudy still represents Don since Don said he wasn't sure the other day.

    Rudy has had a busy week. His biz associates got arrested, he's under investigation by the federal prosecutors in Manhattan, and now he's decided to defy a congressional subpoena.
     
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    Quit playing patty cake with these thugs, arrest him for obstruction of justice and contempt of Congress.
     
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    I don't think they can do that legally until a court upholds the subpoenas.
     
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    he can't say why they paid him $500,000
     
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    Who?

    The two Soviet born creeps?
     
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    And you ain't going to a judge, cuz you know if you did, Trump would have the right to due process.
    Oh well, can't win them all.
     
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    Goid. Nobody they subpoena would comply until there is a fair vote by the house.
     
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    The effort to pressure Ukraine for political help provoked a heated confrontation inside the White House last summer that so alarmed John R. Bolton, then the national security adviser, that he told an aide to alert White House lawyers, House investigators were told on Monday.

    Mr. Bolton got into a tense exchange on July 10 with Gordon D. Sondland, the Trump donor turned ambassador to the European Union, who was working with Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, to press Ukraine to investigate Democrats, according to three people who heard the testimony.

    The aide, Fiona Hill, testified that Mr. Bolton told her to notify the chief lawyer for the National Security Council about a rogue effort by Mr. Sondland, Mr. Giuliani and Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff.

    Bolton expressed grave concerns to Ms. Hill about the campaign being run by Giuliani. “Giuliani’s a hand grenade who’s going to blow everybody up,” Ms. Hill quoted Bolton.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/14/us/politics/bolton-giuliani-fiona-hill-testimony.html

    Imagine that. The Trump White House sends a letter to the speaker of the House telling her to vote on impeachment of the President. Now we have Trump's NSA telling Trump's Russian expert to notify White House council about the activities of Trump's lawyer.

    In the meantime, Trump's supporters claim Trump is a competent President. Go figure.
     
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    There is a jail cell with his name on it. Toss him in already.
     
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    He is denying himself due process. He will not allow his witnesses in the White House, former and current staffers, to testify. That's pretty stupid.

    I have the right to do whatever I want as president,” Trump once said.

    So, Trump stonewalls the House investigating committees by not allowing testimonies or depositions from current and former staff members. In return, House Democrats stonewall Trump. They hold secret hearings and do not allow Republicans or their lawyers to enter the chambers.

    Then they add another impeachment charge -- obstruction of Congress, a federal offense.
     
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    Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani told ABC News on Tuesday he is not complying with a congressional subpoena.

    In their subpoena sent to Giuliani late last month, Reps. Adam Schiff, Jerry Nadler and Elijah Cummings said that Giuliani had "admitted on national television that, while serving as the president’s personal attorney, he asked the government of Ukraine to target former Vice President Joe Biden."

    “A growing public record indicates that the President, his agent Rudy Giuliani, and others appear to have pressed the Ukrainian government to pursue two politically-motivated investigations,” the Democratic chairmen wrote. “The Committees have reason to believe that you have information and documents relevant to these matters.”

    Giuliani cannot claim executive privilege. He doesn't work at the White House. He is not even a member of the government. He cannot claim attorney/client privilege before an inquiry is made. He may claim attorney/client questions to specific questions at the hearing, which he will not attend.

    Giuliani is simply breaking federal law. The possibility strongly exists that another close Trump associate may end up in prison. Being associated with Trump is the kiss of death.
     
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    Now that's funny.
    Go get a judge, ...you won't.
     
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    You seem confused by the false talking point circulated by Trump surrounding "due process." Due process affords the accused an ability to present a legal defense, call witnesses, present evidence, etc. If things go that far that phase will not begin until the matter reaches the Senate. What the Dems are doing is going to court to enforce the legality of the subpoenas they've issued.
     
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    I just don’t see the DOJ doing Shifty’s bidding here
     
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    The fact if the matter is the trump admin has announced he is subject of a criminal probe. He has a 5th amendment right, and therefore is wise not to turn anything over to Shifty
     
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    Trump probably doesn't know that. He's pretty stupid and he's never listened to the lawyers.
     
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    Thank goodness for separation of powers. Pelosi needs to formalize her impeachment inquiry by bringing it to a vote of the full house so she has subpoena power. This is easy.
     
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  20. Lee Atwater

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    That's the best post I've seen for a while. Absolutely love this...........
    “The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction and the distinction between true and false no longer exist.”
    —Hannah Arendt

    Have you seen Lindsey being an obscene hypocrite in living color?
     
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    Where do you get these radical and uninformed ideas? Due process applies to all Govt and not just trial courts. Watkins v US specifically discuss Congress and congressional hearings.

    Try again
     
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    Then by all means, get a judge.
    Do it today,......you won't. All talk
     
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    You are correct. Anyone with half a brain knows you never give your enemy anything that may be turned against you in the future. Let them continue to make fools of themselves and posters keep their bleating "impeach" The public is tired and it will come back to haunt them.
     
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    Why should the White House cooperate with the dems in congress. The dems haven't cooperated with Trump since the day he was sworn in. Treating the dems the same way they treat the president sounds fair to me.
     

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