Do you believe that what Trump said on the call to Ukraine was appropriate?

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Was what Trump said to Zelensky on the infamous call appropriate?

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  1. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Objective reality?....LOL.....I asked another ppster to back up his claim that "Trump demanded personal campaign support before he would release congressionally allocated aid to Ukraine."

    In response, you provided a link that says nothing that even remotely backs up that posters claim. If you have something that backs up that claim please provide a link, and since you sent me on a wold goose chase, also cut and paste the part that you think backs up that claim. I am more than fair minded, but you on the other hand jusyt seem to be throwing sh*t at a wall to see if it sticks. If you got em...smoke em. If you dont, please stop posting links that have literally not one thing to do with what was being discussed when you jumped in.

    You seem to be under the false impression that quantity counts. It is quality that matters, and on that front your argument is sorely lacking. Yeesh.
     
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  2. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Says the people who were perfectly fine with foreign sources used in their "Russia Russia Russia" hoax.
     
  3. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And that ^^^ is another prime example of corruption.
     
  4. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Many of these sources are from Ukraine hence the request by Trump for the new Ukrainian President to investigate.
     
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  5. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly.

    That's why they're freaking out. They know all roads lead to Obama.
     
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  6. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :blahblah:

    Shokin was fired at the request of many officials from many nations, not just Biden. As for his affadavit, his claims are just as phony as his excuses for not prosecuting corruption, which is why he was fired.
     
  7. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't know about framing, but Shokin was a bad actor.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Shokin#Burisma_Holdings_and_the_Biden_family

    https://www.rferl.org/a/why-was-ukraine-top-prosecutor-fired-viktor-shokin/30181445.html

    He wasn't fired for investigating Burisma, he was fired for not investigating Burisma and other corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs, most of whom were cronies of ousted president Yanukovych, the corrupt Putin buddy who employed Paul Manafort.
     
  8. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Proof? I'm not expecting you to come through with any, you haven't before, but I had to ask.
     
  9. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    None of that is even remotely true. You need better info sources, because you're being fed tin foil hat conspiracy theories with no basis in fact.
     
  10. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Go to the tape. It’s all documented by sleepy Joe himself. The irony is that the Democrats killed his campaign.
     
  11. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Go to the tape. Or don’t you believe your lying eyes and ears ????
     
  12. FatBack

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    I find that easy to doubt. Just so happens, that version makes Biden look better. OK assuming that is accurate...Does that make it OK for Biden to threaten with holding aid?
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Assuming Shokin really is corrupt, the old saying applies.

    The ones with the money make the rules.
     
  14. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What tape? If you mean the out of context video, don't bother. If you can prove what I think are completely bogus claims, please provide a link.
     
  15. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Biden didn't do the threatening. At that time, the Obama administration was witholding the aid until Ukraine took some anti-corruption steps. Firing Shokin was only one of them. Since then Ukraine has bent over backwards to clean up their act, so until Trump made this call in July, annual aid funds for Ukraine to stave off Putin have been done as a matter of course.
     
  16. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What tape ??? Come’on man.
     
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    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My stance on anything other than Trump's call to the Ukrainian president is a subject for other threads.

    You've decided that Trump is both a hero and a victim. Duly noted.

    BTW, I only found this reply by accident while looking for somethimg else. In future, if you actually want a response, you need to use the Reply selection on my post.
     
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  18. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    THIS is your comment to which I replied, asking you to prove that claim. The only thing you came back with was the debunked Ukrainian corruption that wasn't corruption. I've already provided links disproving that.

    Please provide examples of how "The Biden's have been dirtying themselves for decades."
     
  19. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Biden’s have proven their corruption themselves. Hunter did it again in his interview a few days ago. It quacks - it’s a duck.
     
  20. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Epic failure to back up your claim. As usual for you.

    Sorry, I don't mean to be unkind or uncivil, but you do have a habit of posting hyperbolic statements with no basis in fact, then failing to provide proof when challenged.
     
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  21. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ayou again don’t trust your lying eyes and ears.
     
  22. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    About what?

    You claim that the Bidens have been corrupt for decades. All I'm doing is asking for proof, which you continue to fail to provide. If you can't walk the walk, stop trying to debate the issue. You have no credibility.
     
  23. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    About the video with audio tapes.
     
  24. Sleep Monster

    Sleep Monster Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Going back decades?

    Epic fail. Either prove your claim that the Bidens have been corrupt for decades, or admit you were talking trash.
     
  25. AFM

    AFM Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump was rich before being elected. Biden became rich after being elected. QED
     

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