Putin's Visit To Saudi Arabia - Hey, what's Going On Here?

LOLOL.. Obama had NOTHING to do with the Arab Spring. Knock off the magical thinking.

 

LOLOLOL....

 

$120 billion dollars that Obama gave to Iran only goes so far.
Obama-era cash traced to Iran-backed terrorists...-> https://www.washingtontimes.com/new...kQoJsixyIBCWpimMMmYL0E00JI990cCUaAu6yEALw_wcB

 

Obama supported the Arab Spring 100%

Some say Obama was directly involved on instigating the Arab Spring.

Barack Obama is a community organizer and a student of Alinskyism.

Agitate, cause trouble and divide society.

 

How can Iranian forces be in Syria next to Israel without it affecting the security of Syria? In order to maintain the peace Russia has placed Chechnyan guards in Russian uniforms in posts along the Israeli border. These guards wouldn't need to be there if Iran wasn't there, so why is Iran there?

If Iran is in Syria for commercial reasons, then why don't they remove their forces and prove their peaceful intent towards Israel. Instead they keep threating Israel and trying to turn Syria into a battlefield between them.

 

I have never been a fan of this argument.

1) It was Iran's money - The idea that Iran was going to agree to limiting its enrichment activities to well below bomb grade - without getting its money back is somewhat far fetched.. Sans blocking the US out of the talks all together. Can you imagine "Obama kicked out of Security Council talks with Iran".

Sanctions don't work if other nations are not on board - France, Britain, China, Germany, Russia - were all stating that they were going to cease continuing with the US sanctions - leaving us somewhat isolated economically - not a good place to be.

2) as it turned out - Trump unilaterally pulled out of the deal - against the wishes of all the other nations involved. Not only that - he then threatened the sovereignty of the other nations should they not submit.

This was a huge blunder on the geopolitical chessboard - using the "Nuclear option" threatening to block some nations corporations and banks out of the international system of payments should they not submit.

Never in modern history have I seen nations collectively giving the US the middle finger as they have been lately - and this is harming our long term economic security.

While Trump is going around using a club to try and beat our allies and other nations in to submission - Russia and China are going around doing deals - deals that we should be doing. Our corporations are used to having VIP status - now we are in the back of the line.

Imagine if "India" tried to mess with US sovereignty. What would be the reaction of the US people ? Do you think it is any different for the people of India, France, Germany and so on ? If some Indian corporation is bidding for a US contract - what do you think will happen to their proposal ? - bottom of the pile !

The "Terrorist" argument is a non starter. Hezbollah is not a threat to the Homeland - and acts committed while fighting a war are different than the stuff groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS does. Under your definition of "Terrorism" - Israel is a bigger terrorist than the Palestinians - and how much money do we give Israel "money given to terrorists - according to your definition"

What about the money we were slated to give to Ukraine - Neo Fascists- who regularly commit - by your definition - acts of terrorism.

Then there is the obvious elephant in the room ... Supplying tens of thousands of tons of sophisticated military equipment to Al Qaeda and ISIS - our proxy army in Syria.

 

No he didn't.. The Obama administration would have been perfectly happy with the status quo. The US had NO influence over events. The people were fed up and rightly so.

 

When you're right, you're right. Russia and China are making deals and using soft power.. while we are stuck with the belligerent gasbag.

 

It was Iran's money.

 

The same person also did the same thing in Libya.

That same person back in 2012 was also running on a platform that Al Qaeda was being decimated and was on the run.

What that person failed to mention that Al Qaeda was on the run, running all over North Africa and the Middle East getting stronger and more dangerous and morphing into other splinters groups like ISIS.

 

Yes he did.

 

First, they are not "Iranian forces" but militia forces from volunteers from various countries, with Iranian officers sometimes attached to them as advisers. They include Hezbollah and other forces similar to it but without Hezbollah's extensive training and experience.
Second, but for the Russians also stabbing Iran from the rear, and causing issues for us, they would be affecting Syria's security the way Hezbollah 'affects' Lebanon's security. In other words, they would be able to deter any Israeli aggression. Since Israel doesn't want another strong force capable of deterring its actions the way Hezbollah deters Israeli aggression against Lebanon, they have been trying to make sure such a force doesn't gain enough footing and strength in Syria.
Finally, before the Russians arrived in Syria, these pro-Iran militia were in Syria already and during the civil war, they were the 'foot soldiers' doing the actual fighting with the Russians mainly providing air cover and support. Before there was a Syrian civil war, Syria was a member of the "axis of resistance' and despite numerous attempts (including by the Russians) for them to sever their ties with Iran/Hezbollah, they refused. And if they refused, it must be because they felt that was better for their security than what anyone else had in mind for them.

You rely on 'sources' for your information that frankly have a 'unique' perspective when it comes to facts. The facts are as follows: The Russians tried to position themselves between the pro Iran forces near the Golan and the Israeli border but were told by the Syrian regime to mind their own business and had to leave.

Iran, Syria and Hezbollah are members of the 'axis of resistance' and that was the case before the Syrian civil war. This is one important aspect of Iran's involvement in Syria. Both to protect the Syrian regime as a member of an alliance with Iran, as well as to keep the bridge to Hezbollah in Lebanon as another member of this alliance. But we also have commercial interests in Syria, albeit secondary since we have spent tens of billions of dollars in Syria without any expectation to earn even a fraction of it back. But even when it comes to purely commercial interests, the Russians (who haven't really spend even a fraction of what Iran has spent in Syria) seem to want the lion's share (and even the crumbs) when it comes to deals being negotiated between Iran and Syria. I have given some examples above and can give a lot more.

 

And yesterday while at Pavilions while an illegal alien swiped his EBT card to pay for her groceries I said to her..."That's my money."

 

That is purple.

 

We have the "privilege" of having the USD as the world reserve currency. This was a privilege granted to us by the rest of the world - one which benefits us greatly - allowing us to finance our massive debt on the cheap for example - because demand for the USD is strong - due to stability - due to being the reserve currency.

We were given this privilege on the basis that it would not be abused ... hence why Trumps actions are referred to as "The Nuclear Option".

Many nations of the world (and the IMF) were already calling for an alternative to US "SOLE" status - for years, but, nothing much was being done. The 2008 crash put a bit of wind into the "create an alternative" sail - but still - not too much to speak of. Trumps use of the Nuclear option has caused nations - including the EU - to get serious and ramp up efforts- India as well.

So you have Russia, China, EU, India -- (obviously nations like Iran, Venezuela and numerous others) - all working on an alternative - at what point is critical mass achieved ?

Should Saudi Arabia "think Petro Dollar" - start to trade oil (on a general basis - to anyone that asks - not just China .. its main customer) for some standardized alternative method of payment .. this would go a long way towards creation of a viable alternative.

I am not being hyperbolic when I say "The day that there is a viable competitor to "SOLE" status of the USD - is the day the history books will record as the defacto end of the US world economic Empire.

This does not mean the US will not be a big player - what it means is that we will just be another player sitting at the Table - rather than the ruler of the Table.

 

Every penny? Why didn't you take it back?

 

The Arab Spring began in Algeria did you get Oblama involved in that country also?

 

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Margot, the Arab Spring had to do with the Muslim Brotherhood. From what I know, Hillary Clinton who was Obama's Secretary of State at the time, was a close associate of Huma Abedin, and Huma's mother and brother were members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Huma's mother and brother lived in her and her husband Weiner's apartment, which meant they had access to Hillary's State Department e-mails on Weiner's computer. The whole thing seems mighty suspicious to me.

 

No, the Arab Spring was about a moral issue of ridding themselves of autocratic forms of govt. in Algeria...It began in 2012 and did not involve the Muslim Brotherhood of which there is more than one sect.

 

Huma's mother is a professor in Arabia.. She would be thrown out of the country if she was MB. Quit spreading falsehoods.

MB got involved in Egypt, but they didn't set off the Arab Spring.

 

Tunisia......

 

I agree. Most of the oil producers will switch to a basket of currencies although I expect the Petro dollar will continue to dominate.

 

I knew I could drag the truth out of you someway..So it was not Oblama that started the Arab Spring now that you know the truth and have admitted to it, thank you...carry on...

 

This happened in California.

In California illegal aliens are a protected class.

 

Libya has been on the UK's and USA's hit list since Reagan bombed them and the Lockerbie incident....Oblama just finished the job...