Why should the US be the worlds police force

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    No. Not having been there myself, I am willing to extend the benefit of the doubt to the US forces who accidentally bombed British troops. I do understand that 'friendly fire' can indeed happen in combat.

    That said, I have read much about the Liberty incident. It was not accidental by any means. Inform yourself sir, buy and read the book by Phillip Tourney, a young sailor aboard the Liberty, named "Erasing the Liberty", if you dare. Read it and weep.
     
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    I've read multiple accounts of the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty. We've debated it on this very forum endlessly.

    And you do know I hope that eyewitness accounts are considered the LEAST reliable forms of evidence don't you?
     
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    You're right. The attack on the USS Liberty was NOT accidental.
     
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    With no motive I have to give Israel the benefit of the doubt.
     
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    The Israelis had 3 hours of fly-overs before they attacked. Are you claiming Israeli pilots were incompetent?
     
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    What was their motive for Operation Susannah or dressing up like Arabs to bomb the King David Hotel?
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, the least reliable forms of evidence are the statements of known liars like the US and Israeli government officials.
     
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    The Israeli pilots who launched the attack were not the same ones who flew over hours previously. And yes, some Israeli pilots were incompetent. Just a couple of years later Israeli pilots blasted a Libyan air liner out of the sky by mistake over the Sinai. Even elite militaries make basic mistakes. Just look at the U.S. over the years.
     
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    I can only go with the information I have or I've read about.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    ...and you will take every possible step to avoid reading "Erasing the Liberty." Indeed, you will participate in erasing the Liberty.
     
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    Read Moshe Dayan......

    or this

    excerpt:

    Dayan later regretted his impetuous decision to take the Golan Heights. The Syrians were not a serious threat to Israel and the Israelis had provoked far more border clashes with the Syrians than the Syrians had with Israel.
    The most significant point of all is that Dayan made a unilateral decision to take the Golan Heights. He did not consult either the Israeli Prime Minister or the Chief of Staff of the Israeli Army. He went ahead and gave specific orders without any consultation.

    In 1976-1977 I interviewed the United States Secretary of State in 1967, Dean Rusk, on three occasions. Secretary Rusk was totally open and he provided insights and facts that revealed why he had gone on record as saying that the attack on the USS LIBERTY was not an accident, but deliberate. He made it very clear to me that the culprit was the renegade Minister of Defense, Moshe Dayan, who had in effect taken the law into his own hands and ordered the attack on Syria.

    Dayan was very much aware of the role, missions, and likely location of the LIBERTY and that she was undoubtedly collecting key SIGINT against Israel and the other protagonists. Rusk was adamant – the Prime Minister and the other key Israeli leaders had no role at all in the decision to attack Syria and the USS LIBERTY. Dayan wanted his actions totally unmonitored during the crucial day of June 8, 1967 when Dayan ordered the attack on Syria.

    Dayan was gambling on both surprise and decisive military action while silencing the one intelligence asset that he assessed could monitor his every move – the USS LIBERTY. He wanted to achieve a massive military victory on the Golan Heights before anyone could react – a fait accompli by occupation that the Syrians and Russians would not be able to reverse.

    The last thing Dayan wanted was US intervention with his Prime Minister to say stop right now and do not even contemplate such aggression against Syrian territory and an attack on a United States warship. LIBERTY held the keys to unravelling his plans and reporting them instantly to Washington.


    http://usslibertydocumentcenter.org...AND THE ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES SHIP5.pdf
     
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    They all do at first. Then they realise that patriotism can be turned into nationalism and profit them. Patriotism is the foundation of nationalism. You can't have nationalism without patriotism.
     
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    Ignoring the obvious.

    The Liberty was not remotely close to being in position to monitor the attack on the Golan Heights.
     
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    Assad is not commitinng genocide against the Kurds, the turks would if given a chance. And please tell me what makes the kurds democratic and what gave them the right to leave theri semi autonamous state in Iraq to fight against Syria to try to incorporate Syrian and UN recognized Syrian territory in Syria? I understand that they fought with us against Saddam in thier effort to become a separate country from Iraq, and they attacked Isis forces in addtion to Syrian forces under Assad at our behest.

    But why did we go there in the first place. Assad was not killing Kurds and he was not killing Christians. The kurds joined the fray that Isis and Alqueda and other fraction in syria and joined in to attack a weakened assad. They did not fight to free the world from Isis or Al quada but for a homeland. We gave them support for a homeland and they in turn acted as our surrogates in on field warfare against ISIS.
     
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    And maybe some Christians as well? I think it's better to stick with the idea that they were pirates and their actions had to do with piracy, not Islam.
    Because we already stepped in, used the Kurds to help stop ISIS, and are now abandoning both groups.
     
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    It is not Assad but Erdogan that is attempting his genocide of the Kurds, as he attacks a US ally, the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces in Syria.

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    The Kurdish homeland extends across parts of Syria, Turkey, Iraq, and Iran, and the Kurdish population is distributed across those four nations.

    Betraying the Kurds with no warning or preparation results in the slaughter and displacement of the refugees they were protecting, including Syrian Christians and other minorities, as well as the liberation of thousands of ISIS terrorists they had imprisoned.

    Islamic State, Iran, Assad, and Putin are the victors.

     
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    Those weren't police forces.
     
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    Of course there is a good reason. It allows American trade to work. We were once isolationist at the founding of our country. That didn't work, and we had to wage war against the Barbary Pirates in order to assure free trade.
     
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    Exactly. We had to fight the Barbary Pirates of north Africa.
     
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    Assad is still crucifying people Syrian-style -- binding men and women to crosses and then beating their reproductive parts with clubs.

    But that's none of the USA's business, that's the business of Syria.
     
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    You forgot to factor in leftists saying that we deserved 9/11, who went on to accuse Bush of terrorism, and generally throw a monkey wrench into unification, thereby emboldening our enemies and putting all Americans, including our military, in greater danger. I think this is with which conservatives were at odds. Peaceful protests, even spiritedly, are one thing. Fanaticism is quite another.
     
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    There is absolutely no reason for the US to be the worlds police force. All it does is get young American service people killed.

    That is exactly how Russia wants Americans and our President to think.

    I noticed that every Trump supporter has ignored the realities of my reports. Interesting, as is their loyalties.

    USA Today writes, "Russian troops have occupied positions in Syria that just days ago had been U.S. outposts, filling the vacuum left when President Donald Trump ordered the withdrawal of American forces from the war-torn country, according to the Russian military and a U.S. official.

    "The move illustrates how quickly the ground has shifted in Syria since Trump's call last week with Turkish President Recip Tayyip Erdogan. The Turkish president told Trump that his forces planned to invade Turkey to attack Kurdish forces there that it considers terrorists. Trump announced after the call that U.S. forces would withdraw from the region. The Kurds, facing an onslaught from Turkey, have swung their allegiance from the United States to the Syrian regime of Bashar al Assad and his Russian patron."

    Never in my life have I felt ashamed of my country. Our country has made mistakes, but they were honest mistakes and they were intended to strengthen America, not weaken it, as is the case here.

    Here we have a President who made a conscious effort to weaken America and strengthen hostile foreign powers such as Turkey, Bashar al-Assad's Syria, Russia, and Russia's ally, Iran.

    It is no wonder Trump's supporters are turning away in shame as is the leadership of Trump's own party.
     
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    The very last thing Trumpets want to talk about is what is happening right now in Syria and the role Trump is playing with regard to those events!
     
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    Why do you say Assad.....You sure they aren't the jihadists committing those atrocities?
     
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    It's your own fault. If you hadn't been babbling about the evils of Trump since Jan. 20th, 2017, perhaps you would have some credibility now.

    If you're going to bring down big game, you've got to be sure your first shot counts.
     

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