Electric Vehicles

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by Nonnie, Oct 12, 2019.

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Fossil fuel vehicles will be banned by....

  1. 2030

  2. 2040

  3. 2050

  4. 2060

  5. 2070

  6. Later

  7. Never

  8. Some other power source will/needs to replace EV's

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  1. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ok, not sure about America but in the dictatorship EU, there's committments going on in various countries when you can no longer manufacture and sell a new diesel or petrol car. To be honest, I'm not sure which types of vehicles are covered. You guys in America call it gas.

    The original year in mind for this was 2040 but there was talk of bringing this forward.

    So when would you predict fossil fuel cars will be banned off the road entirely?
     
  2. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wow!

    I do hope you @Nonnie get "that itch", scratched!
    How many threads, same talk? :no:




    BTW do Fuel Cell vehicles "count" as EV's?
     
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    The infrastructure (power grid/ recharging stations) isn't there in America to make electric vehicles possible.

    Really the government might have to force it, but I'm hoping for a new source of energy to come along first.
     
  4. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your answer would be other fuel source.

    Sorry, gonna do another global warming thread :hiding:
     
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  5. Capt Nice

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    I don't see any time fossil fuel will be banned from the roads. There will be a lot of third world countries relying on fossil fuel much longer than we will. Any one living today will not see an end to the uses for fossil fuel. Improving electric motors isn't going to eliminate the use of home generators and lawn equipment for example. Fuel will always be available.
     
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    It is more likely that as time goes by less and less gas powered cars will be sold and gas stations will begin to go out of business. BUT lets not forget almost all these electric cars are still run on fossil fuels. Where do people think a majority of the electricity comes from? It aint wind!
     
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    Hydrogen fuel cells will be the 'next big thing' for automobiles and trucks. There are so many things wrong with electrical power generation as we envision and/or utilize it today that it won't be a long-term mainstay in the power provisions for the world.

    And, hopefully, before too awfully much longer, at some point we will put all our effort and R&D money into hydrogen fusion! That's where the benefits are enormous and the pollution is non-existent. But, the "big money boys" will have to get an octopus-stranglehold on it before it will be allowed to take over from fossil fuels and all the other "hangers-on"....

    It should be all THAT hard. We were working on hydrogen fusion at the Univ. of Texas way back in the 1970's, and there we even had our own tokamak research hydrogen fusion reactor....
     
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    Electric motors are a false solution, as you need to produce electricity, in power station that may use fossil fuels. I don't have any idea when fossil fuels would be drained, I don't think they will ever be banned.
     
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    fuel or gas based vehicles wont be banned but they will lose market share over time to hybrid and ev. ev's are viable and will become even better over time.

    we have too many gas stations already. take a few down and toss up some taco bells.

    My commute is only 8 Miles I think I pass six gas stations, 0 taco bells, that is a problem that needs addressed.
     
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    I think you liking Taco Bell might be the more pressing issue.

    It would be stupid for us to move away from a proven and reliable fuel source, fossil fuels, and into an unreliable and unproven theory. Let some lesser nation test this to death for a decade or two, then if we like the results we could slowly, over a century or two, incorporate it into the US...
     
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    1. I'm not suggesting that we move away from fossil fuels, but I am suggesting that electric vehicles are a good fit for a certain demographic.

    2. Waiting to incorporate electric vehicles is an idea that's long past gone they're here already. We will gradually see more on the road and we will gradually see more charging stations around town and on the interstate.

    im a perfect candidate with my driving habits, but I seriously doubt I'll own one anytime soon since I tend to buy cheaper luxury cars that are 10 to 15 years old and run them to the ground. check back with me in 10 yrs.

    As far as the Green New Deal now that's another story I think it's insane.
     
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    Fair enough, but the demographics you speak of most often would benefit from using public transit as well, yet the push is for electric cars instead. Sort of shows a level of contempt towards the environment to me. We should do very little until we know if this will work, and that means allowing some other country to test it. That way if it fails, which is just as likely as success, it won't happen here...
     
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    I don't think the public transportation concept works very well in a semi-rural type setup, for example I live in a bedroom community with about a 100k population the city next door has another 100k. My commute too short and sweet but the only public transportation we have is the city bus and I'll be damned if I'm taking the city bus to work, that would easily quadruple my commute time and not allow me any flexibility during the work day, no chance. But I could very easily drive an electric vehicle to the office and Shuffle around for short errands and then charge when I get home. I probably average 25 miles a day. Then again in electric vehicle doesn't save me a whole lot because 25 miles a day is just a hair over 1 gallon of gas, not a big expenditure.

    Every persons circumstances are a bit different I have a relative who bought a motorcycle for the 15 Mile commute to work and he told his wife he bought it to save on fuel cost, he admitted to me he just wanted a motorcycle but he thought the fuel costs argument was a better argument. He spent $8,000 on the motorcycle and maybe saves $8 a week, and he still kept his vehicle for rainy days. He wasn't going green he wanted a new toy.
     
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    If it was really about the environment a few sacrifices should be expected. A bus that runs daily uses fuel whether anyone is on it or not, you taking your car for convenience sake adds to the problem, nothing is solved, you just get to feel a little bit better about yourself. None of this is cause to ruin a perfectly good system that works now...
     
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    Well with me I can be 100% certain that it's not about the environment. If it was I'd sell my jet skis and stop going out on my buddies boat. <no chance.

    Obviously there are others that feel differently, and can afford to be more green, but for me it's money, if it's not economically feasible I'll stick with my Toyota v6.
     
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    Fair enough. The biggest problem I see is that push by the environmentalists, yet they are unlikely to make any sacrifices themselves. I live in rural America, and the whole electric notion isn't feasible, nor would it be for agriculture, long haul trucking, and dozens of other industries...
     
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    agree 100%. I'm not on board with the whole Doom and Gloom thing or the do as I say not as I do approach that so many advocates have.
     
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    Well they have to solve a few issue regarding the batteries, cobalt supply and other minerals which I believe China has a monopoly on. No point switching over if you're fuel supply is not secure.
     
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    How about offering an advantage to an EV
    like being able to program an individual's EV to take advantage of light rail systems.

    We need a vehicle one can drive from home, to the rail line, drive to work
    and back.
    Today rail is detestable in Southern California because one must drive and park there.
    Take the train. Then bus or drive a second car to work.


    Moi :oldman:


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    What Me Worry ?
     
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    No sense ditching fossil fuels since CO2 is not a pollutant, and isn't driving temps or climate!!

    By 2040 two things will be true:

    1) I will likely be dead

    2) The world will look back on what a colossal scam AGW and man-made climate change was.
     
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    Yes.

    But, They Are Exploited For A Good Cause!


    :)
     
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    I live in a low population density area. Public transit is not practical here. That said, an electric car would be. I drive 30-50 miles a day (usually closer to 30). An electric commuter car would be great. That said, my family lives several hundred miles away. I would have occasional need for a fuel powered car for family trips.
     
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    It would be great until you have to replace a $10K to $30K worn out battery.
     
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