How to run an impeachment investigation the republican way.

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  1. 61falcon

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    But wasn't Clinton impeachment for lying while under oath??
     
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    Point out, and quote, the portion of the Mueller Report where this is stated.

    You won't. It doesn't exist.
     
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    No, you're implying that they're contained in the Constitution. That's your deceit, not mine.

    I'm implying that a House inquiry without a House vote denies due process to the accused, which thus makes the inquiry constitutionally invalid. As it stands now, it's nothing more than a kangaroo court.

    A kangaroo court is a court that ignores recognized standards of law or justice, and often carries little or no official standing in the territory within which it resides. The term may also apply to a court held by a legitimate judicial authority who intentionally disregards the court's legal or ethical obligations.
     
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    Uh, not true, my friend.

    Point out where it specifically requires a vote.

    That argument sounds like one which would be advanced by someone completely unfamiliar with constitutional law.
     
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    Umm, no.

    Quote the report itself. Do not offer crap like AG Fatso's dishonest "summary".

    If you could go "on and on", please try to answer the question that I asked.
     
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    Geat another flat earther.. goodbye
     
  8. Nemesis

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    From your own link to Forbes, which is another thing that you didn't read:

    "The report found that there was insufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt a criminal conspiracy of the Trump campaign with the Russians, despite ample evidence of cooperation and collaboration. And it declined to make any finding on obstruction of justice, despite a mountain of evidence showing multiple attempts by the president to do exactly that."
     
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    I've read the rport, and cited from it routinely.

    You?

    You posted links to things that you haven't read, wouldn't understand, and are not in the Mueller Report.

    Yet, you're trying to tell me what's in the Mueller Report.

    *LOL*

    Uh, you lose.
     
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    The constitution requires due process, and without a vote, there's no due process.

    The House has two options, take a vote and abide by due process, or change the house rules so that due process must be complied with even without a vote.

    As it stands now, the House is nothing more than a kangaroo court.
     
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    Recent polls indicate 51-52% of the electorate support impeachment and removal (an even larger majority support the inquiry). At a roughly similar point in Clinton's impeachment, that number was 35%...so, I'd say the current impeachment inquiry is moving along in track with public opinion, which is basically their job. The impeachment process is a constitutional responsibility of Congress. I have no clue regarding your comment: "...the Senate will convict him only if they have to?"

    And, the House investigation? More than enough in the Mueller Report, particularly on obstruction of justice, upon which to launch the "impeachment inquiry."
     
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    I'd agree about Cliton. I'd partially agree about the Russia probe, but not fully because it was definitely shown that Russia was trying to influence the election in favor of Donald Trump. He just wasn't found to be coordinating with them to do it.

    The current inquiry has teeth and merit. It was only a matter of time before Trump's corruption started being made public. That corruption is one reason many of us tried to warn his supporters about him before the election. Not that Clinton was any better, but Clinton and Trump weren't the only possible candidates to vote for.

    I have a feeling your prediction will ring more true than not. Trump has opened up a terrible new chapter in American politics, and the Democrats are following him through the door. The Republicans and their voters won't forget the way Democrats have reacted to Trump, but they will forget why Democrats(and even some Republicans) reacted the way they did. They will forget Trump's compulsive lying and corruption, as they simultaneously seek to do the same things to the next Democratic president that the Democrats did to Trump, and most likely without the necessity that Trump creates. Then, the Democrats will in turn do the same to the next Republican president. And on and on the cycle goes.

    We the voters can at least try not to elect corrupt individuals to the White House, among other things.
     
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    Impeachment is in the Constitution, and there is no legal support for the proposition that you have to hold a magical vote before an impeachment inquiry can begin. That argument was cobbled together by dimwits and pushed by dimwits from the WH.

    It's a "kangaroo court" until they do things that nothing requires them to do? *LOL* Umm, no.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/must-house-vote-authorize-impeachment-inquiry

    Is it constitutionally acceptable for the House speaker to initiate an impeachment “by means of nothing more than a press conference”? In short, yes.

    The constitutional text on this issue is spare. The Constitution simply says that the House has the sole power of impeachment. Ultimately, if the House wants to impeach someone, it needs to muster a simple majority in support of articles of impeachment that can be presented to the Senate. How the House gets there is entirely up to the chamber itself to determine. There is no constitutional requirement that the House take two successful votes on impeachment, one to authorize some kind of inquiry and one to ratify whatever emerges from that inquiry. An impeachment inquiry is not “invalid” because there has been no vote to formally launch it, and any eventual impeachment would not be “invalid” because the process that led to it did not feature a floor vote authorizing a specific inquiry.

    Of course, the House’s own rules might require such a vote, and the House must follow its own rules until it chooses to change them. But there is no rule requiring such an authorizing vote, and neither McCarthy nor Cipollone points to one.
     
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    I think Clinton and the DNC are every bit as corrupt as Trump and have done far worse and skated, including Obama.

    It's my opinion that the hope of this country rests solely in the Supreme Court.
     
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    And also, in addition to ignoring the text of the Constitution, explain how a vote to authorize an inquiry = "due process".
    Bonespurs doesn't sit in the House, and simply has no right to cross-examine the members of the House authorizing the inquiry.
     
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    This. So much this...

     
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    How so?
     
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    He actually doesn't during a Senate trial, either...
     
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    True, but none of the trumpers will cry about that because they'll acquit him after failing to consider the facts or the implications of his conduct.
     
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    Guns to cartels
    Misuse of the IRS
    Misuse of the FBI
    Destroying evidence.
     
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    I don't want generic talking points. I want actual, factual and supported claims.
     
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    It's the vote that sets in motion due process. Without a vote, it's nothing more than a kangaroo court run by Democrats only.

    It seems as though Dems would rather run a kangaroo court than an impeachment inquiry.
     
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    I don't care what you want...

    Those are specific talking points and everyone knows what i am talking about. And i didn't even mention the very worst one. Which was the single biggest travesty and miscarriage of justice during my adult life. That being the attempted crucifixion of justice Kavanaugh by senate Democrats and the media.

    The DNC os a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
     
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    Is Dirty Donald in danger of being deprived of life, liberty, or property by being impeached? Is impeachment a criminal matter? Can the Senate send the President to jail? The death chamber? The poor house? If not, due process is whatever Congress says it is. Deal with it...

    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
     
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    The above is irrelevant. It's about due process, not the end result. Aren't you familiar with the quote below?

    Chairman Nadler of the House Judiciary Committee has expressly acknowledged, at least when the President was a member of his own party, that "[t]he power of impeachment ... demands a rigorous level of due process," and that in this context "due process means ... the right to be informed of the law, of the charges against you, the right to confront the witnesses against you, to call your own witnesses, and to have the assistance of counsel.

    The Dems kangaroo court violates most all of those basic due process requirements, and is thus constitutionally invalid.
     
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