It's Paid For With More Taxes On You

I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
I'll just point out it doesn't make sense to try and build hospitals, for example, to service so few people in such a large country.

 

The ACA is private health care not public.

 

Ah. It's a millionaire tax!! That's always worked well. It's worked almost as well as raising the capital gains tax.

 

It's government meddling to undermine the private sector.

 

Voting for the dnc is a vote to raise the taxes of the working class

 

Thats you right? You just said a few days ago that you support a flat tax rate? Now you want the poor to pay a higher rate than the rich, a regressive tax.

 

Sad but true, they can't raise taxes. They can only raise rates. When they raise/lower the cap gains tax rate trying to attack higher earners, the opposite of their intent occurs. Lowering the rate increases collections. Raising the rate decreases collections. It happens every time:
https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/statistics/historical-capital-gains-and-taxes

 

Why do you ruin a perfectly good post by "you had your chance with Obamacare" ? Obamacare did not address the systemic issues with our health care system - it was lipstick on a pig.

The numbers are not difficult - we spend near double - per person - what other first world nations spend. What is stopping us from mimicking one of these systems ?

We should be able to do better than these other systems - as these other systems are an inefficient bureaucratic mess.

If they are doing it for a little more than half of what we are - they mimicking the best of these systems should cost the same. From there it is simple math. 3.5 Trillion x 50% = 1.75 Trillion .. I used 2 Trillion.

Any way you slice it or dice it - we are paying nearly double what we should be .. and there is a whole lot of savings being left on the table.

Obviously - healthcare is not "Free" which is what was stated in my post.

 

That is a not a simple answer because I work in healthcare. I am not a good model to sample because I am already getting a big discount.

I can tell you this though, the people that come in here with private health insurance are the ones keeping the doors open. Our facility is a small 300-400 bed, county owned hospital. 80% or more of our patients are medicaid/medicare, and the level of service they get is "different" to put in mildly from that of those privately insured. And of course those with out insurance are even below that. The level of treatment comes down to what the insurance will pay for. Now for the flu or a broken leg, you may not notice a difference, but if god forbid you have cancer or diabetes, best of luck is all I can say.

 

A few silly anecdotes does not a case made. Comprehensive studies have been done which state that our system is in the middle of the pack in terms of service - among first world nations - Canada is at the low end.

Sure there are people who go to the US for some specialized products - we could still have this in our system. In the EU you have private vendors alongside the Gov't system. If people want to use the private vendor for quicker service - they are welcome to do that.

What do doctors trained in Canada coming to the US have to do with anything ?

The fact of the matter is that we paid 3.5 Trillion for healthcare in 2017 - near double what other first world nation pay - on a per person basis.

 

We were discussing how income tax should be calculated if one is going to have income tax.
I told you I preferred direct taxation because it doesn't consider income.
Thanks for your honesty

 

And we were promised by Barrack Hussein that premiums would come down. They did not. They raised. Just like if this fiasco gets passed only a complete idiot would believe that this will save the average taxpayer in the long run. The government does not know how to run anything economically. It is their very nature to waste money.

 

I'm conveying the facts in rebuttal to your previous post that the VA is no where close to

The VA has and always will be very limited in "everything it take to provide healthcare."

 

And in 2016 – two years into the marketplaces’ operation – premiums are still lower than they were in the individual insurance market in 2013. They’re 20 percent below the Congressional Budget Office’s (CBO) original projections, write co-authors of the analysis, Paul Ginsburg and Loren Adler.

In addition to lower than expected premiums, ACA plans include a host of benefits many policies didn’t have before the law took effect. That, along with a guarantee of coverage for all who apply for health insurance and restrictions on medical underwriting should have caused a precipitous spike in the cost of health plans.

These results are not what many experts expected.

Researchers give credit for the downward pressure on prices to a host of factors: Competition created by an insurance market that expanded to include millions more customers, greater authority built into the law for lawmakers to review insurer’s premium rate increases, and a cap on the percentage of revenue insurers can use for overhead and administration.

Source: https://www.healthinsurance.org/blog/2016/07/29/health-premiums-after-obamacare-theyre-lower/
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Will Revenue per GDP pay for healthcare or is it Revenue? Why are you trying to pass off a bunch of Schiff on your fellow posters?

 

I must be misunderstanding what you are trying to say because:

Common Medical Center Services
VHA Medical Centers provide a wide range of services including traditional hospital-based services such as surgery, critical care, mental health, orthopedics, pharmacy, radiology and physical therapy.

In addition, most of our medical centers offer additional medical and surgical specialty services including audiology & speech pathology, dermatology, dental, geriatrics, neurology, oncology, podiatry, prosthetics, urology, and vision care. Some medical centers also offer advanced services such as organ transplants and plastic surgery.
https://www.va.gov/health/aboutVHA.asp

 

How else would you measure it?

 

Revenue. I sent you a link and, in the likely event you didn't know how to use a computer, I sent you the table in that link. Revenue pays for healthcare. You can't pay for healthcare with an increase in the Capital Gains Tax Rate if you end up with less revenue

 

Many things effect revenue - things like employment rate workforce size etc.. That's why it's important to measure with respect to GDP. No long term correlation to tax rates.

 

No it isn't. When every time Revenue increases after every Cap Gains Rate decrease and Revenue decreases after every Cap Gains Rate increase, it's obvious to most what's going on.

Did it ever occur to you that the cap gains rate effects GDP, employment rate, workforce size, etc?

 

It’s empirical fact that single payer systems provide better care for a fraction of our system.

 

Sure I did. That's why I looked for the graph.
If your idea was true GDP would be higher now than before all the tax cuts. It's not. It's lower.

 

It's easy. If you can pin them down, it comes out that the answer is always OPM. Other People's Money, not yours....
I'm wondering why those "other people" aren't paying the rest of our bills.
Dems seem to be horrible at financial planning and management.