Kurds reach deal with Damascus in face of Turkish offensive

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  1. Cubed

    Cubed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because the US isn't immune to the complications and consequences of foreign politics and having US interests be the main over-arching interests of the world is better for western democracies then allowing Russian/Chinese interests to become the worlds interests.

    You do recall correctly. And that was then, and this is now. It's always nice to know that the car wreck your about to crash into was caused by someone else, but you'd think the over-riding concern should be not to smash into it head-first.
     
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    Achieving liberty? From who? What are you talking about.
     
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    Really. I don't know much about Turkey, but what I have read indicates that they don't have a radical Islam problem.
     
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    No, I admitted our presence stabilized the area. They carved out their area long before we got there. Given those facts, what you are claiming is proven false.
     
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    Russia has a huge air base they built with Assad's blessing (2-10,000 runways) and then there's Russia's only warm water Naval base in Syria at Tartus. Let them defend those bases, Assad and the Kurds.
     
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    Um right, so while you want to fight a meaningless war for nothing in Syria, two American corporations (Blizzard/NBA) both very publicly took a knee before the Chinese. Both companies sided with CHINA and against Hong Kong. American capital is apparently down with stripping human rights and democratic rule from fully functioning 1st world nations. For my part I have unsubscribed from Blizzard and will never use another product by them again (even though they are the creators of some of my favorite games). I will never watch an NBA game again and I will never buy a single product with a NBA logo. It is funny to see Chinese capital purchasing all the culture making entities in America at a breakneck speed and to see you fretting about Chinese influence in a 3rd world hell hole.

    Cubed, if you want to stand up against China. Stand up for Hong Kong.
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    Uh, that's because they appease fundamentalists by having a religious and authoritarian government that tramples human rights, so no, there's no reason for terrorists to mess with Turkey because Turkey is about 2/3 on their side anyway.
     
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    We weren't there defending Assad. And ISIS wasn't attacking Assad. We were there to stop ISIS from attacking US and Israeli interests in the region. Are you saying we have no interests in the ME? If so, that's a HUGE reversal from what conservatives/GOP has been saying for decades. Furthermore, it's more in line with thinking from my side of things that the ME isn't worth our time or effort. The oil will flow because the region needs it to make money and Israel, as an ally, is more of a liability than a benefit. So remaining neutral in the region and improving relations across the board at the expense of Israel is something I'm fine with. So if that is your and Trump's position, then this move works perfectly. The other side to that coin is Iran and Russia gain influence in the region, which again, doesn't bother me. You?
     
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    Those corps are bound to do what's most prudent for their business. You're a fool if you think you know better. Companies are financial instruments, their goal is to make money. What you are looking for are activists. You should not expect companies to act as activists, that's never the goal (unless it makes business sense to do so).
     
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    So....where in my post did I indicate that I didn't stand up for HK?? Quite the straw-man you've built there.
     
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    Nope. Turkey is largely secular.. not radical at all.Turkey has a lot of Sufi influence.
     
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    In the past, yes, it held more closely to secular and western ideals. Since the 1980's, not so much. Economic concerns have led to a rise in Islamist thinking in the country as a solution, basically religion will ensure everyone is taken care of. And Erdogan is the result of that shift, an authoritarian who claims to uphold Turkish tradition while giving the Islamists just enough room so they support him.
     
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    In this case, I would remind his supporters of his unmatched wisdom. :)
     
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    If this is true, what can we do to encourage Muslims to move to Turkey instead of the West? Right now there seems to be an obsession by millions of Muslims to move to Western nations and never move back.
     
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    If the world give a [expletive] they can commit military forces. How come libs weren't singing from your "shameful day" song sheet when we pulled out of South Vietnam?
     
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    The war machine and the TDS driven libs. A strange alliance.
     
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    Indeed. Almost as strange as the isolationist/pro-tariff conservatives. If trump has shown us anything it's that people. just. don't. give. a. sh**. They will defend whatever banner their political overlords happen to be raising that day - doesn't much matter what it is.
     
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    You can start with criticizing your POTUS Donald to stop giving the. Us.im Turks the green light to kill their fellow Muslims the Kurds.
     
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    Plans are only means to a goal. My goal is liberty, or at least my conception of it.
     
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    Me too.
     
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    I wrote... Donald -draft dodging- Trump is laughing in your face, not me
     
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    He aint the president. What happens now is Donald draft dodging Trump's idea.
     
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    Arabs do not like us, (Turks) while we Turks do not like Arabs at all. We are secular nation and our women are not seen as a good of men.
    uffff we really hate arabic culture! Even our Islam perception is so different from Arabs' perception

    Please do not encourage them to come here, Turkey is for Turks. We are different race of people and different culture, different history.

    Problems of muslim world is not my problem.
     
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    Way to stay in this decade, clem
     
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    It was inevitable and as soon as we left that little area that was carved out was taken or surrendered to the government in short order. Same with the north west and Afrin which was taken in short order because we would not help them there. The only remained area they have is southeast Syria which was not Kurdish area and only remains because we have not left there yet.
     

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