Has Red Establishment turned on Trump ?

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  1. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As a mostly Hawkish Republican that is also a Trump supporter, I am not in favor of his decision regarding Syria ( nor was I in favor of Obama's decision to pull out of Iraq). With that being said, it doesn't result in my support for Trump waning even slightly. From where I sit, ceasing to support Trump would be akin to propping up or at least increasing the likelihood that A Democrat could win the White House and/or increase their legislative power in Congress.

    Especially with the current crop of far left whackjobs steering today's Democrat party, there isnt a snowball's chance in hell that I would do anything to increase the likelihood of Democrats regaining power. Their politics, AND their behavior is in my mind about as despicable as it gets, and I am going to do and support anything that keeps them out of power. I suspect that except for a few true Never Trumpers in congress, the vast majority of those Republicans that voted in opposition to his Syria policy as well as their supporters, feel exactly the same as I. They may dislike his Syria policy, but still support his presidency 100%.

    If Democrats believe that this is the beginning of a rift between Trump and his voters, it is my opinion that they are delusional in that belief. There is a downside to the Democrats boorish,childish behavior with everything from Kavanaugh to impeachment, and that is that they have galvanized Republicans 100% against them and their agenda.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why would you not be in favor of getting out of Syria ?

    Both the Russians and the US were have been urging the Kurds to work with Damascus for some time. This is the only logical path going forward - The Islamist Jihadist proxy army has been mostly defeated ... and this the sovereign territory of Syria - which at some point they will get back.

    We were not the ones that defeated this proxy army - consisting mostly of ISIS/Al Qaeda - it was Syria/Russia/Iran that did this. Oddly enough -despite the nonsense claim "we are there to defeat ISIS" the only place where ISIS/Al Qaeda have a presence left is in the area we control.

    The Turks stated directly to us "we are going in" - on this day and in this place.

    What are we then to do.

    1) Go to war with Turkey
    2) Arm the Kurds like we did the radical Islamist proxy army fighting Assad
    3) Have a few hundred of our soldiers fight with the Kurds (suicide mission)

    Obviously none of the above.

    4) Move our troops safely away from the conflict to drink coffee and watch from the sidelines. How then do we tell our soldiers to go back among the Kurds ...after they have lost wives, daughters, sons, husbands to the Turkish army - while we watched - and in their minds .. betrayed them ? Sounds like a recipe for PTSD.

    5) Pull out and have the Kurds work with Damascus - and let Russia/Syria finish off what is left of Al Qaeda/ISIS.

    So what then .. you choose #4 ?
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    For purposes of this thread, and more specifically my answer to your question, the "why" of my overall hawkish Middle East position is irrelevant. I answered your question as to my belief in terms of whether or not Trump support is waning within Republican circles as a result of his policy in Syria, because that is what I wanted to discuss. My intent was not to get into a debate about what should be done in Syria. If that were the topic, I would not have bothered answering.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fair enough - but this issue of the Establishment turning on Trump is in relation to the pullout from Syria - and so the details matter.

    I get that the Dems are going to go against Trump - no matter what he does - he could offer free healthcare and they would spite him.

    My question is what is going on here with the Red Establishment .. something strange is going on.
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Without getting into the weeds on the subject of Middle East policy, there were 2 aspects of Trump policy that gave many Republicans pause from the beginning of his candidacy. Those 2 things were his non interventionalist stance, and tariffs ( personally I have come around on his tariffs). I dont think that there is any great mystery as to why hawkish Republicans do not support his anti interventionalist stance. I dont think there is anything strange going on, nor do I think that his overall support is waning. The hawkish Republicans resolution isnt surprising to me in the slightest. I don't think they are political grandstanding because they have nothing to gain. I believe that they drafted the resolution because they sincerely are trying to get him to ameliorate his policy.



    -Just to be clear, I am not in support of their resolution even remotely.
     
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    If the Red Establishment thinks they can get rid of Trump, they will go for it. At this time, they know it will cost them their seats as the Republican base will shred them.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Being pro interventionalist is one thing .. Flogging a dead horse is quite another - and this is what is going on with respect to the Kurd issue.

    The war in Syria is over - our radical Islamist Jihadist Proxy army has been defeated. There is going to be hell to pay with respect to the History books .. yet another US foreign policy disaster - of epic proportions - and that chapter has already been written.

    Why then would there be so many in the Red establishment that support a continuation of this charade ? While average Joe might not realize just how nasty our dirty deeds in Syria were - thanks to an MSM that is owned by the establishment - Red Congress does - and they know what a mess this is.

    Staying in Syria only serves to exacerbate the mess ..
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If your desire was to hash out strategy regarding Syria, why did you start a thread asking whether Republicans have turned on Trump? You and I are having two separate conversations and talking past each other. Sincerely, I am not interested.
     
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    Yeah I don't think that the Republican establishment, meaning the DC elected officer holders, staff, media (such as it is), and think tanks have ever been with him. As far as I can tell, they've opposed him since day one and continue to do so, tempered only by the ire of voters who are with Trump. That's why that aide to Romney who said 30 GOP senators would vote to impeach if they could vote in secret. Sure, if they could do it in secret. As it is, they've spent three years sabotaging his administration.
     
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    It seems like they are willing to burn down the party rather than let Trump control it.
     

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