Trump orders American troops to retreat

My God, it is worse than I thought, far worse! I speak from that standpoint of a retired Marine officer, and Chesty Puller must be rolling over in his grave.

Joseph Francis Dunford Jr. is a United States Marine Corps general and served as the 19th Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff from October 1, 2015 until September 30, 2019. He maintained constant contact with the leadership of the Turkish military.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Joseph F. Dunford, Jr. spoke with Chief of the Turkish General Staff Gen. Yasar Guler today. The two leaders discussed updates to the security situation in Syria and the importance of U.S.-Turkish cooperation in the region. The U.S. and Turkey enjoy a strong and continuous military-to-military relationship as key members of the NATO alliance. https://www.jcs.mil/Media/News/News...iefs-of-staff-gen-dunfords-phone-call-with-c/

Trump waited until Dunford retired. The mealy mouth, lapdog Mark A. Milley replaced Dunford on Oct. !. Milley is far more concerned that his troops might get hurt rather than the mission assigned to them. He is quick to pull them out of harm's way, and to hell with the mission.

On October 5th Trump ordered the retreat of American troops from northern Syria, betraying our invaluable ally, the Kurds, and causing the release of hundreds of ISIS terrorists.

Butt kisser Milley approved of the dishonorable decision. So did Trump's other butt kisser, SecDef Mark Esper. It is why they were hired.

It gets worse. Until now I simply thought Trump made a stupid, dishonorable decision that involved the betrayal of an ally. I was joined by many, Republicans and Democrats alike.

It is more than that. On Oct. 5, "President Trump had given his endorsement for a Turkish military operation that would sweep away American-backed Kurdish forces near the border in Syria."

"Administration officials said that Mr. Trump spoke directly with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey on the issue on Sunday. And the officials indicated that the 100 to 150 United States military personnel deployed to that area would be pulled back in advance of any Turkish operation but that they would not be completely withdrawn from Syria."

"Turkey will soon be moving forward with its long-planned operation into Northern Syria,” the White House said in a statement released just before 11 p.m. in Washington. “The United States Armed Forces will not support or be involved in the operation, and United States forces, having defeated the ISIS territorial ‘Caliphate,’ will no longer be in the immediate area."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/07/us/politics/trump-turkey-syria.html

I don't have words, I really don't. The report says it all, I guess.

 

The mission as defined by who? At what point is this so called mission not worth one US soldier's death?

 

The Trump White House told a lie. Big surprise. We never have had combat troops in Syria. We had advisors, trainers, and aircraft spotters. The lie was meant for Trump's base. They believe everything Trump says.

Our betrayed allies, the Kurds, eliminated the caliphate in Syria and Iraq, and marginalized the ISIS guerilla force, imprisoning thousands of them, only to be released as a consequence of Trump's decision.

 

Trump’s decision — made in the span of a week — to withdraw about 1,000 American troops from northern Syria caught the Pentagon, and the forces on the ground, off guard. Now, American troops are making a hasty withdrawal from all of Syria, not just northeast Syria.

Trump ordered the complete surrender of Syria to enemy forces, which include the Turkish army, Assad's Syrian national army, and Russian troops.

The Times reports, "Russia announced Tuesday that its units were patrolling between Turkish and Syrian military forces near the strategically important Syrian town of Manbij, in a sign that Moscow, a key ally of the Syrian government, was moving to fill a security vacuum after U.S. troops withdrew from the area.

"The Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement that military police in northwestern Manbij were patrolling “along the line of contact between” Syria and Turkey, with a senior Russian official saying Moscow was working to prevent a confrontation between them.

"Col. Myles B. Caggins III, a spokesman for the American-led coalition based in Baghdad, confirmed on Twitter on Tuesday, “We are out of Manbij.'"

Now Trump thinks he can end all this with rhetoric and economic sanctions.

 

They would still be combat troops unless they are non-combatants.

 

Trump supporters have given up on Trump. No doubt they are ashamed as I am.

USA Today writes, "Russian troops have occupied positions in Syria that just days ago had been U.S. outposts, filling the vacuum left when President Donald Trump ordered the withdrawal of American forces from the war-torn country, according to the Russian military and a U.S. official.

"The move illustrates how quickly the ground has shifted in Syria since Trump's call last week with Turkish President Recip Tayyip Erdogan. The Turkish president told Trump that his forces planned to invade Turkey to attack Kurdish forces there that it considers terrorists. Trump announced after the call that U.S. forces would withdraw from the region. The Kurds, facing an onslaught from Turkey, have swung their allegiance from the United States to the Syrian regime of Bashar al Assad and his Russian patron."

Never in my life have I felt ashamed of my country. Our country has made mistakes, but they were honest mistakes and they were intended to strengthen America, not weaken it, as is the case here.

Here we have a President who made a conscious effort to weaken America and strengthen hostile foreign powers such as Turkey, Bashar al-Assad's Syria, Russia, and Russia's ally, Iran.

It is no wonder Trump's supporters are turning away in shame as is the leadership of Trump's own party.

 

Trump supporters continue to give me a free hand in reporting the consequences of Trump's bizarre and dishonorable decision to abandon a U.S. ally and creating a national security threat. Of course, there is little they can say. Actually, judging from the threads, they are avoiding the subject entirely.

I wonder what it is like to be a President who made a decision, and nearly everyone disagrees with the decision. With the exception of butt kissers, Esper and Milley, this would include the Pentagon, field commanders, and the defense department. Those who disagree with Trump would also include Democrats and Republicans alike in Congress. With the exception of a$$-kisser, Pompeo, the state department can also be added to the list. That is just about everyone who matters in our federal government.

To illustrate this fact, the House today approved a resolution formally rebuking Trump over his decision to withdraw U.S. troops from northern Syria.

The measure passed in a 354-60 vote, with four lawmakers voting present. The top three House Republicans supported the motion in a rare split from the President. The measure also calls on Turkey to end its military action, calls on the United States to protect the Kurds and calls on the White House "to present a clear and specific plan for the enduring defeat of ISIS" because Trump's strange retreat order caused the escape of thousands of ISIS terrorists.

In the Senate, Trump's friend, Senator. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) is co-sponsoring a bill that is expected to introduce sanctions legislation on Thursday.

So, later in the day, Trump went to a meeting of Congressional leaders in a foul mood. Everyone is against him, not withstanding his loyal fans on PF.

Angry from the very start, lying from the very start to a room full of leaders who knew he was lying, the unbalanced Trump suffered a melt down. Then he called the Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi a "third-rate politician." Imagine that, calling an equal member of our government a "third rate politician." Trump is really losing it.

The Democratic leaders angrily walked out of a White House meeting. One can hardly blame them.

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., trying to cover for Trump, lamely opined that Pelosi stormed out of the room, calling it “unbecoming” of the speaker. He did not mention Trump's defensive, belligerent attitude from the start nor Trump's embarrassing insult of the Speaker.

As the uppermost levels of the American government is tearing itself apart, Vladimir Putin is enormously pleased with Trump's performance.

Little wonder why Trump's backers can't find a thing to say.

 

In one respect, Trump's adherents are being smart.

They are using Trump's statements to defend Trump.

Too bad, I would sure have a lot fun if they did.

 

Fake Don's suddenly cutting and running, betraying reliable US democratic allies, is repugnant to all decent Americans, condemned by patriotic Republicans as well as Democrats.

House overwhelmingly votes bipartisan condemnation of Trump withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria, 354-60.

Fake Don cannot afford to lose the support of his bum kissers, and his blatantly crapping on the nation's integrity is especially ill-timed.

 

I anxiously await either a declaration of war against Turkey or a use of force for Syria from the Congress.

 

Damn, I meant, "They are not using Trump's statements to defend Trump."

 

White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham denied the Democrat's characterization of the meeting, saying, "The President was measured, factual and decisive, while Speaker Pelosi’s decision to walk out was baffling, but not surprising. She had no intention of listening or contributing to an important meeting on national security issues. While Democratic leadership chose to storm out and get in front of the cameras to whine, everyone else in the meeting chose to stay in the room and work on behalf of this country."

Is Trump writing Grisham's statements. Sure sounds like it. All she is doing is passing along Trump's lies, which, honestly, is no big surprise. What's her name did that for over two years. I pitied her.

 

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has dismissed US calls for a ceasefire in northern Syria and said that he's not worried about American-imposed sanctions.

Speaking to journalists traveling on his presidential plane following a visit to Azerbaijan Tuesday, Erdogan said a ceasefire was off the table. "Declare a ceasefire, they say. We will never declare a ceasefire," Erdogan said. "We do not sit at the table with terrorist organizations."

With gutless wonders like Trump, Pompeo, Esper, and Milley that was entirely expected. Those four are too busy retreating to come forward with a strategic offensive, and Erdogan knows it. Their idea of retaliating against an invasion force is economic sanctions and surrender.

 

So the Congress should do what?

Declare war against Turkey?

Declare war against Syria?

Authorize a use of force for Syria?

Kick Turkey out of NATO?

The US withdraw from NATO?

I don't know what you want to happen.

 

Option B: Sit on the ground and scream Noooooooooooooooooooo! to the sky.
Option C: Buy a tub of haggen Das and cry on the shoulder of their friend who identifies as a rainbow unicorn.

 

no, the government promises Peace For Our Time, the free market promises Peace In Our Time.

neither can keep its promise, which is neither good nor bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time

 

Trump only wants to get our troops back home and out of endless ME wars.
Every politician who opposes him on that will be very vulnerable in the next election.

 

i am loyal to the Commander in Chief and support his decision to go to war or not.

 

Neither do I. What does one do when the President of the United States betrays an invaluable ally and gives a green light to one country to invade another? The answer to that question is above my pay grade.

I can possibly explain why Trump did what he did. First, Erdogan is Trump's friend. "I just want to thank and congratulate President Erdoğan. He’s a friend of mine, and I’m glad we didn’t have a problem because, frankly, he’s a hell of a leader, and he’s a tough man," Trump told reporters today.

Secondly, Trump and his family have long had business ties in and with Turkey, the most visible example being the Trump Towers Istanbul, which licenses the Trump name. The Trump Organization describes the buildings on its website as “a landmark in the historic city of Istanbul” and it is the organization’s first and only office and residential tower in Europe, with offices, apartments and upscale shops. The Washington Post has reported that the organization was paid up to $10 million to put the Trump name on the two buildings.

It would appear Trump's foreign policy is being driven by his holdings. That is why there is an emoluments clause in our Constitution.

 

Are you loyal to a Commander-in-Chief who retreats and betrays an ally?

 

Unbelievable.

You spend post after post decrying a foreign policy you don't understand and don't even think you need to understand. You can't wrap your head around a coherent foreign policy agenda, what are goals should be...well anything.

Your only foreign policy agenda is, literally, Orange Man Bad.

 

Mueller needs to release his report now!

Trump is getting dangerous.

You agree, Sandy?

 

You have maybe given a decent explanation as to why the Kurds are of no political value and very limited value outside of war. Do they have any assets?

Thanks.

 

So now Sandy and the libs are "War Hawks" .......anything to resi

you were wrong here again. Ever get tired of your predictions being wrong?

 

Proof these are centers for leftist indoctrination.