Brexit Deal Agreed Between UK & EU / Can UK cope without Northern Ireland?

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    But will the UK ratify it?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50079385

    It's 2019, I ask, does UK still need NI?

    It seems NI are far from the centre of the universe, so, why can't UK just cut its losses and push for a united Ireland in the EU?
    The DUP need to accept they're not the only political party in Northern Ireland, and any deal has to be approved by all parties, and the DUP are sour because they won't get a veto so won't ratify this deal.

    This deal is better than Theresa May's deal because this announces UK customs and regulations will differ from that of the EU allowing UK to join Trump in a UK US trade deal as well as allow UK and EU to have a good relationship.
     
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    It's called democracy. A majority of the people of NI don't want that.
     
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    I say it's 2019, if they hold us back from Brexit unless their end is a no deal to this means, I say push for a United Ireland and cut our losses.
    Most people in the UK can't even tell the difference between a Northern Irish accent or a Republic of Ireland accent anyway and these people are also Irish citizens too.

    Anything but extending Brexit beyond 31st of October especially since it's over one party in Northern Ireland not getting a veto since it's they're not the only political party in Northern Ireland. - So I'm not for holding up Brexit for one party in a two party system.
     
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    It's very easy to tell the difference in accent! And NI citizens are not citizens of the Republic, they're British.
     
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    I personally wanted what was dubbed as 'Singapore on the Thames' and I fear this deal was made by forgoing that. So that's my whole view on Brexit, in London, my part of the UK.
     
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    But the DUP wants a veto which is a lilttle unfair to the republican political parties in Northern Ireland and this deal protects the Good Friday Agreement meaning everyone has to be happy and not just one faction. I don't feel it's right that the DUP gets to veto any deal and that's why the DUP won't back this deal.
     
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    Live on the news, the EU and Ireland just passed on a question about Arlene Foster and the DUP which is a shame since I'd like to hear their opinion on the DUP's objection to this deal.
     
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    That's a different issue.
     
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    It seems to be 'the issue'.
     
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    Unless DUP can help for a No Deal Brexit making it this deal or no deal, I'd hate to see another extension over the DUP wanting to veto in their (that's right, I said it, their, not our) two party system with our agreement in place that says all must agree which giving the DUP a veto on the future of the country will nullify.
     
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    Ireland for the Irish, no hard border EVER AGAIN!!!!
     
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    Jeremy Corbyn doesn't like it because it champions freedom over red tape and bureaucracy and has the potential to push us closer to America.

    I've loving this deal considering Jeremy Corbyn is all for state control and would push us closer to Maduro.
     
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    It’s strange to see people advocating the breakup of their own country.
    Ultimately it’s up to your people, but as an outsider I hope you stay whole. Don’t know why, maybe because I like history of Britain more than history of any other country on Earth.
     
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    Holding out hope for no deal aka Brexit.
     
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    can UK cope without Ireland? That is a question Ireland has been asking since Saint Patrick arrived in the year 432
     
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    Relax, there will be Brexit soon. :)
     
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    Can it be this deal or no deal?
     
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    They're also Irish citizens too; and Ireland's a foreign country just like France or Germany; why should UK bend over backwards for Ireland or Northern Ireland if Northern Ireland holds us back; Revoke their British citizenship and give Ireland the Titanic museum and Game of Thrones tour.

    It makes sense having a United Ireland.
     
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    Scotland seem to want to stay in the EU even if it means leaving the UK to do so (which I can't see the EU ever accepting with Spain promising to veto such a notion of a devolved independent European country joining the EU for fear of their own Catalonia wanting the same); Northern Ireland want to leave the EU like the rest of the UK, meanwhile here in London, I could live with letting Northern Ireland go to save Brexit for the rest of the UK.

    It seems Scotland would kill to be in Northern Ireland's position in this deal and the DUP should never have a veto anyway since it's one party in a two party system over there and giving the DUP what they want would conflict with the Good Friday Agreement signed by the UK and Ireland.
     
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    It's practically the same deal that was rejected when May presented it
     
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    This deal is better than Theresa May's deal which wanted to keep the whole of the UK tied to the EU.

    Further more, it's better than delaying Brexit, so it should be this deal or no deal/crash out of the EU come on the 31st of October.
    The threat of No Deal should be on the table if there was another extension to let UK and EU finally come to something to satisfy both parties.
    Any referendum/people's vote should be third deal reached (if that'll satisfy everybody) or no deal - if no third deal is reached assuming Boris Johnson's deal fails to get the backing of Parliament, then the UK should crash out without a deal.

    If we could satisfy both countries on the island of Ireland, UK and EU/Northern Ireland/Republic of Ireland... Then let's do it.
    This deal seems to anger only one faction in Northern Ireland and I've not yet heard any objection from the other side. Any Good Friday Agreement needs everybody on board and not just the DUP.
     
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    It's the same deal with the border down the Irish sea. This deal will be disastrous for Wales, Scotland, the North of England and the South West of England. The only part of the UK that it will benefit will be Northern Ireland - why would any manufacture decide to invest in any of those regions instead of NI where NI produced products effectively will have free trade to mainland UK and the EU. If I'm wrong, please point out why
     
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    Let's agree to disagree.
     
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