Tonight's Democrat Debate....

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  1. Derideo_Te

    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Facts prove otherwise!

    https://www.fb.org/issues/other/rural-opioid-epidemic/

     
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    What we call liberals to day aren't liberals they are mostly in fact statists hack which is where the Democrat party has been since FDR. It is interesting to watch them going back to calling themselves progressive now that the stench of that name's prior attachment to the Eugenics movement has passed from the collective consciousness.
     
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    To be fair, the dems tried to years to abolish medicare premiums and raise the FICA cap to cover the costs instead (basically rich people would pay more into medicare and social security) but the Republicans refused to do it.
     
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    Just like Republicans have this fantasy that they are conservatives yet they are far removed from any conservative policy.
     
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    Why should "rich" people bear the cost of other peoples Medicare and if they are going to be paying to eliminate all college debt, make college free for everyone, pay everyone else's healthcare, pay for everyone else's childcare and day care, pay for housing for the low income and pay for everyone else's SS increases and then the $15,000 a year free income how will they for it.
     
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    I don't expect you to know this, but the front runner is often not the eventual nominee for either party.
     
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    We took conservative to differentiate ourselves from The progressives that began calling themselves liberals right after WWII.
     
  9. Derideo_Te

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    Since that 74% encompasses the "kids from farming families" it exposes the fallacy of that allegation.

    Whether the farming parents actually care or not was not addressed in the survey as I recall.
     
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    Liberals founded this nation so they have been in the US since the beginning of the US which is why I am proud to be one which is why I also grow my hair long to be just like the patriots. That founded this nation.
     
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    I live and work amongst them and know the situation firsthand. I need no statistician to project an educated guess as to the situation.
     
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    Jestsayin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Snip from Variety,
    "Last night’s Democratic debate, which saw frontrunner Elizabeth Warren come under attack from all sides, drew around 8.3 million total viewers on CNN.

    That viewership figure is down 46% on the first NBC debate which was watched by 15.3 million viewers, and also on the two previous CNN debates which garnered 10.7 million (down 22%) and 9 million (down 8%) respectively. None of the Democratic debates so far in this cycle have come near to the 24 million viewership figure posted by Donald Trump’s first debate on Fox News in August of 2015."

    https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/tv-ratings-fourth-democratic-debate-cnn-1203372771/
     
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    The founders were classical liberals. The massive government the progressives that stole the name liberal built would have horrified them on every level. Between 20 and 25% of the population works for state federal city or county government this is simply not sustainable.
     
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    OK, but then we also have to abolish all tax credits and subsidies going to the corporations owned by the rich, which is mostly paid by the middle class.

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    Non-sequitur. No we wouldn't but how are they paid for by someone else? And BTW lots of middle class people are owners of corporations.
     
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    So we should make divorce illegal?
     
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    marriage has been around since ,2350bc before cradle to the grave government.....
     
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    So that's a yes?
     
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    Middle class is defined as any household whose total annual income in between 2/3 to double the annual median income. There are plenty of people in the middle class who own stock, but very few who actually own and run successful corporations. Most people who run successful corporations make too much to be considered middle class.
     
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    I know what is the middle class I am a member of it and if you own stock you own companies. Now how is the middle class paying for tax credits and subsidies going to the corporations owned by the rich.
     
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    And you never volunteered to send a single extra penny of your own money in. So there's that.
     
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    I would define owning a company as owning at least 51% Stock and having an actual say in what the cmpany does. Most minor stockholders don't have any real control over the company, because the major stockholdiers have enough control that they can just override any motion by minor stockholders.
     
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    My old boss, when he was a young hooligan, had a friend who's family was in the trapping business. One day, my bosses friend found a bobcat in one of their live traps. So they, being hooligans, somehow stuffed the poor thing into a suitcase and left it precariously on the side of the road and hid to watch. Sure enough, a car full of (people who stereotypically pack a car beyond its intended capacity) pulled over, grabbed the suitcase and sped off. Only to, of course, stereotypically come to a screeching, swerving halt when someone openned the suitcase, released the terrified hurricane of claws and fangs and they all fled the car in a screaming panic.

    Your meme reminded me of that story and I thought I should share :)
     
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    LOL, I'da packed with water moccasins :)
     

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