Texas Cop Fatally Shoots Black Woman In Her Own Home During Welfare Check

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  1. Pardon_Me

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    The Fourth Amendment right of individuals to remain safe and secure in their own homes, (Free from government intrusion) is a fundamental civil liberty.

    Unwarranted and non-emergency welfare checks should not deprive us of those rights. (but they often do!).

    I would never take anyone's 4thA rights away, by calling in a welfare check, without being a great deal more concerned and at least attempting to make contact with my neighbors.

    It always amazes me how quick we are to just hand those rights over like we don't even care if we have any.

    (Often, Officers will do the "mind of we come in?" Thing on welfare checks and people just go, "sure come on in!" They don't really want or need cops in their house, but they are afraid they will look like they "have something to hide" and so they are intimidated into giving up their rights.

    "I appreciate your concern, but as you can see, we 're fine."

    Is my preference to just caving in to "mind if we come in?" warrantless search inquiries.)
     
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    nothing wrong with a welfare check, just the cop blew it, all he had to do is knock on the door, we would not of even been talking about this had he just done that

    well if the cops feel there maybe be someone in the house and they are afraid, so say everything is fine - but if the cop is using it to try to find drugs or something other than the welfare check, that is wrong

    I think the war on drugs has made us all less safe and made people trust cops less and cops trust the people less
     
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    Nope, police and the military must be held to a different standard, we must have empathy with them and forgive them honest mistakes made in the most demanding of conditions in a split second. I honestly cannot understand how people cannot have empathy with these brave heroes who risk their lives to protect society and are only human.

    You shouldn't abuse animals at all!

    It all depends on the circumstances, this officer was in uniform, it seems he didn't shout that he was a police officer however but he did shout warnings, it was a judgement call and he guessed wrong, hopefully he'll get off at court.
     
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    Why shouldn’t I abuse animals?
     
  5. Space_Time

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    Here's more:

     
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    This guy is going to prison just like Amber Guyger. The days of the police being allowed to murder civilians with impunity by saying they were afraid for their lives or just lying in their reports are over.

    Michael Slager shot a man in the back, and instead of apologizing for it, he wanted the kid who recorded him charged with obstruction of justice. Cops don't like cameras, and there are more of them than ever. Try us now pigs.
     
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    Here’s a bit of history from another America:

    The Bill of Rights was designed to protect the people from their government. If the First Amendment’s right to speak out publicly was the people’s wall of security, then the Fourth Amendment’s right to privacy was its buttress.

    It was once thought that the government should neither be able to stop citizens from speaking nor peer into their lives.

    Think of that as the essence of the Constitutional era that ended when those towers came down on September 11, 2001. Consider how privacy worked before 9/11 and how it works now in Post-Constitutional America.
    You last sentence smacks of Charlie Manson disfunction, but I agree copcams are a hid thing.
     
  8. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    Psychos become cops so that they can kill people and get away with it. The cop lovers bend over backwards to enable them to get away with murder and when they are held to account will pay all of their legal fees. Im not talking about cops who have shootouts with bank robbers and so forth but about the ones like Amber, Aaron, and Michael.
     
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    You shouldn't torture animals because it's morally wrong?

    Police don't 'murder' civilians, they have to make tough judgement calls in the line of duty and when they are afraid for their lives.. Slager is a totally different case, shooting an unarmed fleeing man in the back, this officer shot a woman armed with a pistol whom he thought was about to shoot him. Cop cams are a good thing as it has shown time and again how justified police are in their actions, if the Rodney King cops had BWV it would never have been an issue,

    What psychos become cops? What are you talking about? You're an utter hypocrite, the cut and dried North Hollywood shootout incident is the rarity, most police shootings are tough split second judgement calls, they're the hard ones and you should respect and admire the police all the more for them.
     
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    But I have to make split second decisions to preserve my life and health when working with animals.

    Following your line of reasoning, I would be justified in abusing animals. Someone who’s decision making involves nothing more than what kind of cat food to buy shouldn’t abuse animals. But I would be justified even though it’s morally wrong because it’s my job to feed society in a dangerous occupation. Therefore, abuse to preserve my ability to do so is acceptable based on my greater value to society. I mean eating is important, right? I’m providing an essential service to society and in a much more dangerous setting than law enforcement. Certainly I should be given great leeway in the area of animal abuse.
     
  11. ArmySoldier

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    Not how that works. You're making an accusation, you must back it up with facts. Where in this article, or the other cited here, show any ounce of racial bias?
     
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    Perhaps it's just me but it sure looks like he's judging this cop based upon the color of his skin.
     
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    My father is a retired police officer. I was an MP in the Marine Corps.

    Fact is, if you **** up, you need to be held accountable.

    He ****ed up. He needs to be charged with murder.
     
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    It appears that is what is happening. I'm not sure why he or she would make such a claim with zero evidence to back it up.
     
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    Do you know the difference between killing a person and murdering them? It’s intent and whether or not the law supports your actions. We already know his intent was to kill this woman as cops are trained that you don’t point your weapon, or shoot for that matter, at anything that you do not intend to completely destroy. So we already know he intended to kill her. Now as far as the law backing him, it does not. There are laws and procedures guiding officer interactions with citizens and their property. They would have required the officer to identify himself. He did not. The law didn’t back his action at the time he ended this woman’s life.
    By those standards this was murder. The cop should be tried and convicted for such.
     
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    Wrong. You shoot to eliminate the threat.

    That doesnt necessarily mean killing someone.

    If you're going to spout off novels of information, at least be correctly informed.
     
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    Wrong, Brother. Cops are trained to shoot center mass. People tend to die when you start poking holes in that area. That’s the intent.
    This isn’t tv or the movies. Cops don’t shoot perps in the leg, or wing them in the shoulder unless they miss their intended target. The chest, and all those vital organs housed there in.
     
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    It's not all cops, but there are police officers who became police officers to shoot someone and get away with it. Aaron Dean is no doubt one of those people. You can't snoop around in someone's yard late at night then shoot them because they have a gun in response to your presence. If you can't control yourself in the situation, you have no business being a cop. It was an accident Aaron Dean could have prevented by realizing he wasn't qualified to be a police officer, but now he's going to prison.

    Society as a whole is done allowing cops to use their jobs as justification for doing things the rest of us would go to jail for. Now that we're holding cops accountable for their actions, the next step is to punish them accordingly. Amber Guyger got 10 years for murder. Pretty soon we'll be sentencing cops to life for murder just as if they were any ordinary person.
     
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    Oh there is a high probability of change when you take into account the white American culture.
    Statistics prove that.
     
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    I'm of the belief that you can have empathy AND still be ok with a murder charge.

    The arguments seems to always factor with severe disagreements to "when" and "why".

    I do blame the media/agenda for some of this, where the initial media report shapes the story to look like murder and everyone picks a side, then they release new bits of info and the extremes on either side refuses to change their opinion. I don't think this case is going to go down other than expected.

    actually since the cop is being charged (yes? I haven't followed updates) then this is kind of a non story right now.
     
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    White Americans do and deal about or even slightly more drugs than black people. The amount of white people who die because of an OD is much higher. Yet the jail is full with black drug users/sellers... because that's how the predominantly white police force works. Black people are pulled over a lot more than white people. Driving while black is a phenomena that is true. White people have a higher change of having something illegal about them when pulled over. So there is no reason why cops do that. It simply works like that. During the night, the amount of black people pulled over is getting less.... because apparently it's harder to see what color the driver is. So to claim black Americans have a higher rate of criminality... they are tossed in jail more.

    When white people and black people with a same criminal history are being convicted for the same crime etc,.... it is so that black people systematically get a longer sentence. White people get out on probation earlier too. So that too adds that there are more black people in jail than white people... %-wise. The racism is institutionalized, and nothing is done against it.

    And this story fits right in.
    1+1....
     
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    Correct. The judicial system played out exactly like everyone would want it to.

    So really theres not a whole lot more to discuss unless you're just looking to keep the division alive.
     
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    Police tend to hang out where crime is.

    Crime is prevalent in black neighborhoods. You can make excuses all you want for why that is, but the fact remains...

    The second bolded statement isnt true in the slightest. You'll find a lot higher percentage of blacks driving without registration, insurance, or vehicle violations.

    Theres no denying blacks commit more violent crime, BY FAR, than the population proportions would suggest. You can blame that on white officers if you want to.
     
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    blacks have a much higher rate of violent crime than whites.
     
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    I just stated that white people do and deal about as much to even more drugs than white people.
    I just stated that white people have more things illegally in their cars.
    Hence it's a racist myth that crime is more present in black neighborhoods.
    It's just so that people just let it happen.

    Take Charlie Sheen... that guy is very open that he is or was (not keeping track) on his massive drug addiction.
    That white dude never was busted over that. He went to jail when he beat his wife. And the cops know about the drugs, because he almost OD.
    But it's all fine, since he went to rehab. Aint that fancy?

    You think that drug crime is low in his hood? If you hear the stories,.. it's rather typical that people use lots of drugs around his showbisworld. But cops dont check.
     
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