Brexit Deal Agreed Between UK & EU / Can UK cope without Northern Ireland?

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    That would solve nothing. NI is and will be the same problem.
     
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    All Irish are Irish citizens. The Republic did it to smooth reunification if it ever happens.
     
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    Divide amd conquer is what UK tried 3 years and miserable failed in that aspect.

    You also forget that we also get tired of this ****. How much energy is bound to this rubbish.

    The core problem remains NI and it wont be solved in any scenario. Johnson realized he has to give NI away.
     
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    No, last 3 years U.K. tried to appease.
    A smart leader would use the politics from behind the scenes to get things done. Boris is in his right to do that - even though technically he does not have a majority in parliament, all polls are showing that if there were elections today he would get that majority. That means he can operate with confidence.

    His job is pretty simple, really. He is OK with hard Brexit. He doesn’t need to negotiate with the EU - he can negotiate with a few EU members to make sure they veto the extension. That’s it. Now, we will see if he has the brains to get that accomplished within the next couple of weeks.
     
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    You're not wrong. Non-EU firms are already fleeing England because they fear losing access to the single market. Especially in the finance industry which is especially worrying because it is the largest section of the UK economy.
     
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    All you posted was ranting nonsense
     
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    Just as I thought! You have nothing to back up anything you have ranted about. And when did the UK minus Wales minus Scotland minus the North of England minus South West of England = London. You need to look at a map!
     
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    Democracy has nothing to do with it. After all the majority voted to leave the EU 3 years ago after a democratic referendum, yet it still hasn't happened and many in power are trying to prevent it ever happening.
    When I lived in London back in the 90's we would jokingly refer to the House of Commons as the House of Comics. No idea how accurate our joke actually was.
     
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    There is a hard border already ffs!
     
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    There is not.
     
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    There are often checks on the border now. Brexit would make no difference to it.
     
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    You seem to think you can get what you want which is me debating for debating sake because that's what you want, it isn't what I want - get over yourself and jack off in the mirror if you have to, but I'm not here to validate your claims; as far as Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs is concerned, your need to be validated fell short with me since I can't debate what you said so, just agree to disagree.

    Stop saying
    If you want to engage in debate, because I can't convert you, you can't convert me, and just be grown up enough to realise that. I glanced at your post and concluded we'd just have to agree to disagree, and you can't even do that right.
     
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    Let's agree to disagree, and be thankful I went that far with your post.
     
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    London is Remoaner country. Less than 45% being native.

    Boris's deal ( treaty/agreement) is a terrible deal. The best one can say about it is that it is a bad beginning toward a possible good end. We shall see tomorrow what the commons decided - a No Deal would be the best outcome but then who has ever seen anything good come out of the lot that sit on those green benches today?
     
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    That is not a hard border and does not contravene the GFA.
    This plan treats NI as separate to Great Britain and is unacceptable to the majority of NI citizens. It will not pass the commons thankfully as it could easily lead to Unionist violence.
    If NI is to leave the UK that is a decision for its citizens and not for an unelected British PM to use as a political pawn in order to prolong his career.
     
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    We have not had a real Parliament since Heath signed the Rome Treaty in 1973. Most are just overpaid rubber stampers for the EU.
     
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    By the good friday agreement they can choose to be British or Irish citizens or both.
     
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    Whatever, London (the City of) is all for Singapore on the Thames and so is Boris.
    Guess who's running the country? Boris 'let's have a Trump deal' Johnson.
    You don't see London like Scotland wanting to remain in the EU despite voting to because London's had it's no deal Brexit plan from day 1 and Scotland wish they were being treated like Northern Ireland and vice versa.
    Time Scotland accepts Brexit and the DUP accept they don't get to veto anything on their own in Northern Ireland for this deal to work, otherwise UK should crash out and make 'Singapore on the Thames' to compete with the EU and have NI leave with the UK and sue the EU for putting up a border in Ireland.
     
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    Well the DUP should block this deal and force UK to crash out, since they don't like this deal, UK would like a deal with the EU but it's not really needed when we want a trade deal with America.
    And who says EU gets to be the only people UK seeks a deal with?
    Let's crash out and start working on an EU deal after the ink has dried on an American deal.
    Time to crash out of the EU with no deal to free up who UK can negotiate with.
     
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    There is a border, where regular checks are made - smugglers, you know.

    I agree, I do not like the agreement one little bit.

    Both NI and Scotland would be better waiting until we were OUT before making such decisions, I would have thought. Also I would have thought that the South was better out of the EU too - but am not sure that there is a taste within Ireland for a united Ireland - especially one alone in the world - and the South is suffering greatly for being in the EU. No-one, at this time, is going to want to split from the Union - they will wait until things have settled down.

    The EU, itself via Service Directives and such like and via Parliament, in order to accomodate the EU, passing UK Local Gov Acts and such like has gutted us - has transformed our past unique ways of being into coded/Roman ways via EU Regions replacing our ancient local govs - has via Directives demanding that all services be put out to tender plundered our resources and ect - so we are quite gutted really.
    The UK has been transformed into an EU state/province keeping what was as a mere facade - so that though we are all aware that fings ain't what they used to be few understand what happened - Rome happened. It happened insidiously - therefore even in our 'coming out' the pretence is kept up. It has to be for two reasons 1) so that the people never find out the truth of how their countries were sold off 2) to keep our owners sweet.

    It will take years and years to untangle ourselves as well as the lies and be sure that the bastards will be working all the while to re-tangle us at every turn.
     
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    There is no such thing as crashing out because of this Act http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2018/16/contents/enacted.
     
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    London is called 'Singapore on Thames' because of the horrible gentrification by cranes going on!
     
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    Do you even know what Singapore is?

    It's a tax haven, London wants the same post Brexit to give the EU a run for its money and to help London remain financial capital of the world in our most lucrative of timezone, and has nothing to do with gentrification.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-britain-becoming-singapore-on-thames-no-deal

    I don't know where you get gentrification from.
     
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    Why are you so ashamed of being an American that you have to pretend to be English?

    London is Remoaner Country and does want to be ''better together'' in the EU. Never bother to ask any of them why ---- just don't! Not if you want to keep your own sanity.

    More Scots voted to Leave the EU than voted for the SNP = your answer.

    There is no such thing as crashing out - the 2018 Withdrawal Act disallows such a thing -
     
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    You're so ****ing stupid because I don't buy into pie and mash and football matches on Saturday you think I'm not from Thornton Heath you wank stain.
    Go piss off to a pie and mash shop you ****ing retard who thinks Brits ought to think and act one way you stupid bellend.

    For someone who thinks Sinagpore on the Thames is about 'big cranes' and gentrification, piss off back to your manor you pikey ex con wasteman.
    Anyone who says manor's probably from New Addington anyway, you ****ing pikey wish you were from London and that London was still full of Dons like you you extinct ****.
     
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