Hamas fires rockets at Israel

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    so what

    I wouldnt know why not. I guess it's rather American to just trash your agreements and think nothing of it.
     
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    one could make a very legitimate argument that war with Egypt was started the day they banned Israeli traffic from the Straits of Tiran. Without it, Israel was blocked from trading with half of the planet and 90% of their oil was blocked.

    Everyone knew it was an act of war and Israel had the legal right to respond militarily against Egypt.

    The U.S. President at the time, Lyndon Johnson, had this to say about closure of these straits being a cause of the Six-Day War:[14][15]

    If a single act of folly was more responsible for this explosion than any other, it was the arbitrary and dangerous announced decision that the Straits of Tiran would be closed. The right of innocent, maritime passage must be preserved for all nations.

    After the 1956 campaign in which Israel conquered Sharm el-Sheikh and opened the blocked Straits, it was forced to withdraw and return the territory to Egypt. At the time, members of the international community pledged that Israel would never again be denied use of the Straits of Tiran. The French representative to the UN, for example, announced that an attempt to interfere with free shipping in the Straits would be against international law, and American President Dwight Eisenhower went so far as publicly to recognize that reimposing a blockade in the Straits of Tiran would be seen as an aggressive act which would oblige Israel to protect its maritime rights in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter.[153]

    The rights of Egypt regarding the Straits of Tiran had been debated at the General Assembly pursuant to Israel's withdrawal from the Sinai following the Suez Crisis. A number of states, including Australia, Canada, Denmark, the Netherlands, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States argued that the Straits were international waters, and, as such, all vessels had the right of "free and innocent passage" through them


     
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    Go read back on what were discussing.
     
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    Egypt started the war when they blocked Israeli traffic.

    90% of their oil came through there
     
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    There was another TWO stupid acts. First was Syria attempting to divert the Jordan
    to starve Israel - I am sure this too was an "international" violation.
    And the second was the Soviet Union telling Syrian and Egypt that Israel was massing
    to attack them. The Israelis offered to drive the Russian ambassador up to the
    Golan so he could have a look for himself and see there was no army massing there,
    but he declined.
     
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    On May 22 1967, Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to all Israeli and Israeli bound traffic. This cut off Israel from trading with half of the planet and cut off 90% of their oil supply. Clearly this was an act of war, an attempt to destroy Israel's economy and infrastructure.

    Egypt's plan to attack Israel on 27 May
    Caught up in Arab enthusiasm for military action and encouraged by the lack of response to the closure of the Straits, Egyptian Field Marshal Amer planned for initiating an attack on Israel in late May. He told one of his generals that "This time we will be the ones to start the war." This was counter to Nasser's strategy of pushing Israel to start the war. Historian Michael Oren states that Egyptian sources are divided over why Nasser did not veto Amer's plan. Oren suggests that "Nasser was apprised of [the plan] but lacked the political strength to override Amer's order. Also, the preparation of an Egyptian invasion of Israel had certain advantages for Nasser..."[162] The Egyptian attack plan was code-named Operation Dawn, and was planned by General Abdel Hakim Amer. It called for the strategic bombing of Israeli airfields, ports, cities, and the Negev Nuclear Research Center. Arab armies would then invade Israel, and cut it in half with an armored thrust through the Negev.

    On June 5th 1967, Israel retaliated attacked Egypt's military.
     
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    So what. The Jew state has been doing that for decades on end.

    The Jews simply started the war. They started shooting.
     
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    Blocking the Israeli traffic and Israel-bound traffic from the Straits of Tiran, was the first act of war. Israel simply responded militarily to an attempt by Egypt to kill the Jewish state.
     
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    Blocking the Straits of Tiran to all Israeli traffic and Israel-bound traffic, was an act of genocidal war against the Jewish state. They were trying to destroy Israel, and Israel had the right to reopen the Straits with military power.

    Egypt knew that Israel would react militarily to such a blatant act of economic warfare, and they even made a plan to attack Israel first.

    Jordan was a fool for defending such Egyptian aggression, and their foolishness led to them loosing the West Bank.
     
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    It wasn't. It's economic blockade. Israel does to Palestine. The US did it to Cuba. It's all fair.
     
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    lololol!!!!

    blocking 90% of Israel's oil and all trade with half of the planet was an act of genocide against Israel. it was an illegal attempt to destroy Israel, followed by a plan to attack Israel that ONLY stopped because Israel found out about the plan.

    but we agree, that Israel's blockade upon Gaza is an act of war, just as Egypt's blockade against Israeli traffic through the Straits of Tiran was an act of war.

    and acts of war deserve military retaliation.
     
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    Only the access to the red sea was blocked. And most of the Israeli coastline is at the Mediterranean sea. Your claim it was an attempt of genocide is a total joke. The Jews started the war. The end.
     
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    Egypt prevented any ships from reaching Israel through the gulf of Aqaba. 90% of Israel's oil came through there. Without access ships that reach Israel would have to go tens of thousands of miles around the entire African continent. Egypt's act was illegal and a clear act of war meant to provoke Israeli military action which they got. they even had a plan to attack Israel but isreal found out about it so they canceled the plan.

    Blocking the gulf of Aqaba to Israeli traffic was an act of war and Israel had the right to defend its economic survival.

    Just as blocking trade into Gaza from Israel is an act of war.
     
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    So what. It still can visit the port at the Mediterranean. You're just ignoring that.
    Your claim it's genocide is a total joke to reality. The Jews are were just poised to start a war.
    They invaded and thieved land.... like they did before.

    The Jew believe states that your God gave the land to the Jew bordering the Nile.
     
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    The Koran says that Allah gave the Land of Canaan to the Jews, gave the Torah to the Jews, and freed the Jews from Egypt.

    so now you're attacking Islam along with Judaism, calling them both liars.
     
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    haha!!!

    that's cute.

    forcing Israel to go around the entire continent of Africa, should have been no big deal huh?

    funny, Presidents Johnson and Eisenhower both said Israel blocking the Straits of Tiran would be an act of war.

    it was an act of war, meant to provoke the Jews into the military action.

    the Arabs provoked the Jews, and the Jews kicked their asses.
     
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    The Koran also states that Muslims are allowed to protect themselves. And it's the Jews who use their religion to justify and twist their way in wars and war crimes. The Jews simply started this war. They started shooting. And they thieved the land according to their religious text saying it's theirs to thieve.
     
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    Most trade is done with the US. And that's all from the Mediterranean sea.
    And so what that it goes around a continent. It's far from being cut off.
    You're admitting now that what you previously said is not true.
     
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    this thread is NOT about Judaism or Islam.

    stop derailing.

    the fact is blocking the Straits of Tiran to Israeli traffic, was an attempt to strangle Israel's economy and was an attempt to provoke the Jews into attacking.

    so the Jews attacked and kicked their asses.

    next time, don't **** with the Jews.
     
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    90% of Israel's oil came from Iran, through the Straits of Tiran.

    blocking that oil, was an unacceptable act intended to force Israel to act.

    so the Jews acted, and kicked Egypt's ass.

    haha.
     
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    The blockade of Tiran was technically an act of war.
    Connecting it to Palestine is a logic fallacy called the
    “tu quoque,” Latin for “you too,” is also called the “appeal
    to hypocrisy” because it distracts from the argument by
    pointing out hypocrisy in the opponent. This tactic doesn’t
    solve the problem, or prove one’s point, because even
    hypocrites can tell the truth. Focusing on the other person’s
    hypocrisy is a diversionary tactic."

    https://thebestschools.org/magazine/15-logical-fallacies-know/

    ps West Bank Palestinians are doing just fine. Israeli Palestinians
    are perhaps the most free Arabs in the Middle East, and certainly
    doing quite well, even in recent elections.

    Gazans, despite rejecting the Oslo agreement which would
    have opened their enclave to international travel and rail links etc
    are also doing fine - they have a thriving rocket industry, a standing
    army, tons of international sympathy (even when they kill Israeli
    civilians) lots of freight going through Israeli borders and full
    access to Israeli hospitals (about 400,000 Palestinians attend
    Israeli hospitals every year - as patients or visitors.) Gazans get
    treated pretty well considering they want to kill all the Jews.
     
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    Just think, if Egypt had not blockaded the Gulf of Aqaba to Israeli traffic and kicked out the UN Peacekeepers, the West Bank would still belong to the Arabs.
     
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    You're not disputing my argument.

    The Jew state is being condemned over it.

    Here too the Jew state is being condemned over.
     
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    You dragged in Islam

    indeed. They started the war. And it actually started when the Jews invaded Egypt over Suez.
     
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    So what. It still was able to reach Israel.
     
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