God and abortion

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  1. Captain Obvious

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    With the millions of miscarriages and child deaths that occur in the world daily, compared to the number of man terminated pregnancies- wouldn’t that make god the greatest abortionist ever?
     
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    Presumably it does. What it does not make Him, unlike the Gosnells of the world, is a murderer.
     
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    There are many pages in the Bible that contradict that statement.
     
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    according to the Bible, God accepts sinful women to be punished via miscarriage.

    thereby declaring that God does not consider fetuses to be people, worthy of protection or rights
     
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    Actually there are none.
     
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    So I guess god killing the first born in Egypt doesn’t apply?
     
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    No, because murder is unjust killing, and the Author of justice doesn't do that; so it is logical to conclude that the decedents all got whatever they deserved.
     
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    That may be the most ignorant post I've ever read. Congratulations.
     
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    Gosnell was acting outside the laws of the land and had paid for local governing bodies to look the other way.

    Make abortion illegal and you will have a Gosnell on every street corner
     
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    I'll take this to mean you can't find fault with it to save your life.
    Thanks.

    8)
     
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    the killing of all first-born Egyptian sons, was a very unjust act of mass-murder.
     
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    Then surely you have evidence that any of those executions was unjust, so ante up.
     
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    So are we really expected in the modern world to accept that the children are to be punished for the sins of their fathers?
     
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    all of the first-born males in Egypt were responsible for the actions of the Pharoah???

    wow.

    just wow.

    it was an act of mass-murder, just admit it
     
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    Who said anything about him?

    Each was responsible for his own sin, which was a capital crime from the beginning.
    If I did that I'd be a liar.
     
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    if you ever read the Bible, you would know that God decided to kill all first born sons of Egypt because the Pharaoh decided to kill all first born sons of the Hebrews.

    so basically God decided to commit mass murder as punishment for the crime of Pharaoh.

    and u think that was ok?
     
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    Actually I doubt you can back that up with C&V; but even if that also figured into His calculus, there's no reason to think He ever killed any individual for the sins of someone else.
    You've got one Helluva long way to go before you get there...
    ...so the question is even more retarded than it looks.
     
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    sorry, but if you read the Bible you would know that the 10th Plague, being the killing of the first born, was due to Pharoah threatening to kill all first born sons of Israel.

    so basically God committed mass-murder, due to the poor choice of Pharaoh

    heck, he even killed all the first born male sons of their cattle!!!

    This is what the LORD says: "About midnight I will go throughout Egypt. Every firstborn son in Egypt will die, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sits on the throne, to the firstborn of the slave girl, who is at her hand mill, and all the firstborn of the cattle as well. There will be loud wailing throughout Egypt—worse than there has ever been or ever will be again."

    — Exodus 11:4–6
     
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    That makes one of us.
    Then where the hell's your C&V to that effect?

    Exodus 11:4–6 sure as hell doesn't cut it.
    Maybe you can C&P that a million more times and make it not retarded, huh?
     
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    God made a rule stating that Children should not be killed for the sins of their parents. (good rule) Killing on this basis would then be unjust - and this is part of the rule of law.

    God then turns around and commands the Israelite's to kill Children, Babies and fetuses - "Because of the sins of their parents"
     
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    Was what we did at Hiroshima mass murder?

    Funny how those who insist women have a right to do 'with their own body' what they want deny God the same right with His creation.
     
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    Intended for the OT theocracy of Israel.

    Not intended for Israel. We killed lots of infants at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Israel had the same right to defend itself.
     
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    Not really, it was to free Israel from slavery. How many did US troops kill to free black slaves? Was that mass murder to you?
     
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    Sin impacts innocent people, much like 'mothers' who murder their unborn children.
     
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    Of course God commanding the Israelite's to kill children and babies was intended for Israel. Your post is monstrously nonsensical and completely false.

    1) The Israelite's were invading the lands of others - not defending against a foreign aggressor
    2) Self defense does not entail killing babies - and the Israelites did not have nuclear bombs, drones, or hellfire missiles.
    3) The command to kill babies and children (for the sins of the parents) applied to Israelites as well as foreigners.
     

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