Brexit Deal Agreed Between UK & EU / Can UK cope without Northern Ireland?

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  1. allegoricalfact

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    The EU buys little from us but we do buy a lot from it.
     
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    Answer an Irish question and the Irish just change the question.
     
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    The Poles are leaving in their thousands.
     
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    44% of your exports go to the EU, that is little ?

    ook!
     
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    It should be a democratic decision. Either hold a second referendum by the now better-informed public, possibly a referendum on the specific deal.Boris is now proposing.

    The out-of-date 2016 referendum wan not legally-binding anyway.
     
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    That is a falsified number. The actual percentage is 17. The 44 - 45% comes from parts which are made in various EU countries and put together as one in one and or objects or services bound for other places in the World via the EU.

    Some EU enterprises sell 70% of their goods in the UK. Some rely on us completely;

    Our financial sector - agreed the EU cannot do without - indeed the Euro buffs wanted to move it to Frankfurt.

    Switzerland sells more to the EU in cheese alone than we do every and anything.
     
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    No! Or do you really really want to see much blood spilled on our streets?
     
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    The democratic process does not demand blood, although elements fiercely opposed to the expression of democracy sometimes spill it.
     
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    We had a democratic vote which against all the odds we won - 3 1/2 years later we are still waiting.

    I do not like May but today she was right - all the Remoaner MPs now refusing us our Brexit will lose their filthy corrupt seats in the next General Election - if they ever allow us one - I cannot begin to tell you how angry people are here.

     
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    Angry little Englanders are angry. Who cares? If they get violent there's a perfectly good police force ready with batons to split their heads. You don't get to subvert parliament with threats of violence.
     
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    So? A vote for Independence is not necessarily a vote for the SNP....and last I looked they were due to almost take the lot if a General election was to be held now.
    This was when the party was run by Salmond. I don't get where you believe the reducing of the age of the vote would be pro Independence. I favour the age of 16 for first vote. Never mind anything else it allowed schools to educate kids into what they needed to do. From what I heard those younger voters put in much more work into being informed about what they are voting for than anyone else. It is true though that the younger people both with Brexit and with Independence would be the people who would be affected by the result the most. In both cases it appears to be the over 50's and more the over 60's who took their future from them. Having said all that the vote was arguably lost on two things. The Westminster crew who arrived being able to wrongly convince people that pensioners would lose their pension and wrongly claiming that staying in the Union was the only thing which could guarantee them staying in the EU.
    I will say again a vote for the SNP and a vote for Independence is not the same thing. That being said you do not know what you are talking about. With the Brexit fiasco particularly the No Deal one and making Boris PM, the support for the SNP has risen continuously and there is now a majority in favour of Independence and certainly for a vote on same. You are living in an old idea you gave yourself which never carried any truth and most certainly cannot be seen to have any basis in current reality.

    I get you don't like Scotland...apart from that same old same old. I guess that with N Ireland being the most expensive for the UK, you will be gunning for the end of the Good Friday agreement with no qualms if that brings civil war.

    No idea where you see the relationship. Are you meaning you will be seeing Scottish people as traitors and wanting to kill them just like Politicians are being called traitors by the Brexiters and threatened with death - or in one occasion killed and in others thankfully stopped in time by the police.
     
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    You appear to be wanting violence if you do not get your own way. Tantrums much.
     
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    You just can't cancel democratic decisions just because you don't like the result. And the referendum is the most democratic of them all.
    The people have spoken. Now the "CEOs" have to do their job and make it happen.
     
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    What does this have to do (not that I necessarily agree with you) with someone advocating 'much blood spilled in the streets'. Getting your way by violence is the opposite of democratic.
     
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    It's over hyped anyway. A few nazi thugs in yellow vests intimidating female MPs don't make a revolution.
     
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    I know a british guy who is angry about BREXIT and wants UK stay in Eu. So what now?
     
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    No, but them expressing such views on a public forum appears to be trying to get legitimacy for such views.
     
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    "alexa, post: 1071081767, member: 9227"

    What is that old saying ' If you are not a socialist by 25, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative by 35, you have no brains'. I would also add that any adult recommending the vote for 16 year olds either has no wisdom or is corrupt. Youth is naturally idealistic but without experience. I have nothing against Scotland or Scottish independence but I do have a lot against the exploitation of children which Compton Mackenzie's Party, by giving the vote to 16 yr olds, in this case did. I don't think Westminster had much to say up there at that time - but common sense won the battle fought many many years too late for it to have worth. My judgment is still out on Devolved powers - they sound fair but mmmmm I am now not so sure - they bring a sort of vulgarity with them which is a shame.

    I am saying the Remoaner's, as a whole, in Parliament and the Speaker Bercow, are traitors. Running back and forth to Brussels begging them not to negotiate with Boris - denying the whole four Nations a General Election - ripping up our constitution and Paliamentary Conventions as though they were worthless waste paper.

    The SNP have become a crashing bore and have mismanaged their own and Scottish affairs - Scotland used to be Liberal Country with a few Cons. I don't think Labour ever won a seat in Scotland - so who else can they vote for now? As corrupt and rotten as they have proved to be the SNP are at least theirs in these odd times.

    For me the worst thing that the EU brought us was the death of our municipalities making central Gov too powerful - and one can never trust clumsy politicians a precious thing, can one?
     
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    You have no idea how angry we are - Remain voters as well as Leave voters now after watching the treachery of the Remoan Parliament and Blair's Supreme Court - go up North and the anger is palpable.

    You will have been hearing Brexit from the Remoan media and London - they are not the country. I do not want to see blood on these streets but if Boris's bill, as flawed as it is, is thwarted again by the Westminster traitors God knows what might happen. We waited over 40 years for the chance to right Heath's wrong - and we won - but we are still waiting to see the fruition of our vote. We are not quick to rise up and I think Boris will get his legislation through but ........... the warning signs are there for all who have eyes to see.

    I have never voted Tory in my life but with me I am seeing even solid old Labour voters ( who have for generations voted Labour) all rooting for Boris now - it is extraordinary as is the extreme, at times High, Treason being used against again him and therefore us - our vote in the hands of our representatives.
     
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    Take a look at what is going on outside Westminster - Remoaners attacking MPs as they enter Parliament so violently that they need police escorts - the violence is coming from the Remoaner side BUT a couple of weeks back Vets with armoured vehicles rode into Town ( on another matter) - the Remoaners scattered. Not one enemy flag to be seen. But you didn't see that on the BBC did you? Of course not --- tut tut would the BBC ever show the truth of their £££££ masters? Answers on a post card please.
     
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    One idiotic man imitating Tommy Robinson who was arrested and charged and found guilty then imprisoned for hate speech ie calling Soubry a Nazi and a Traitor - I agree with the latter - most of us agree with the latter.

    This is what is happening now - compared with a couple of people shouting at Anna - will there be arrests? Of course not.

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    He is in the minority.
     
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    I did not say that I wanted blood on our streets I do not. I said that you seem to want to see it!

    You have no idea do you? - none - none at all.

    If we were black or brown native peoples calling for our independence you would be screaming blue murder on our side BUT we are not - are we - we are European natives and therefore, in your book, deserve to be taken back to the serfdom we once fought so hard to get out of, eh?
     
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    Antifa are NOT on our side --- lest you forget.

    So odd, isn't it, that we, against all of the odds stacked against us, won the vote and yet we are the devil in our ancestral lands --- according to the BBC who are well paid with millions of pounds in EU subs as well as some of our licence money/taxes, don't forget.
     
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    So you'll be happy to prove that in a second referendum then.
     

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