James Clapper Said He Was Only Following The Direction of President Obama!

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  1. Zorro

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    Followed by a 3 year effort to drive him from office. First they bungled fixing the election for Hillary, then they tried to "fix" that, by driving Trump from office. And, had they just walked away and accepted the election loss, they probably would have all gotten away with it.

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    FBI-DOJ Likely to Throw the CIA and Crapper Under the Bus

    Law Enforcement versus the Intel Community. That’s what we will see unleashed when the Horowitz report comes out next week. The New York Times came out Saturday with info clearly leaked from DOJ that can be summarized simply–the FBI was relying on the intel community (products from the CIA and NSA) under the leadership of Jim Crapper. If they relied on bad, unverified information it ain’t their fault. They trusted the spies.

    How corrupt the NY Times and its reporters are. Consider this paragraph penned by Adam Goldman and William Rashbaum:

    Closely overseen by Mr. Barr, Mr. Durham and his investigators have sought help from governments in countries that figure into right-wing attacks and unfounded conspiracy theories about the Russia investigation, stirring criticism that they are trying to deliver Mr. Trump a political victory rather than conducting an independent review.​


    “Unfounded conspiracy theories?” The facts of a conspiracy to take out Donald Trump or cripple him are very clear. Robert Mueller and Jim Comey lied when they claimed that Joseph Mifsud, who tried to entrap George Papdopoulus in London, was a Russian agent. He worked for western intelligence. Unless Comey and DOJ have a document or documents from the CIA or NSA stating that Mifsud worked for the Russians, they have no where to hide. Plus, prosecutor John Durham now has Mifsud’s blackberries. What do you think is the likelihood that Mifsud was in communication with FBI or CIA or MI6 personnel? Very likely.
     
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    I'd rather focus on the 13 year old that Trump raped at Epstein's.
     
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    That's funny. Clapper was so concerned about Russian interference that he used Mifsud, a Prof from Malta, to frame Papadopoulos, claiming Mifsud, a CIA asset, was Russian. Clapper lied to Congress about spying on millions of Americans --- so if Barr is smart, he'll pull a Weissman and use that crime to get Clapper flip on Brennan and Obama.
     
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    James Clapper Said He Was Only Following The Direction of President Obama!

    All the Nazis at the Nuremberg said they were just following orders.
     
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    He didn't order him to spy on the Trump campaign; he ordered him to look into Russian interference.

    If "spying" on the Trump campaign is illegal wouldn't that make "spying" on Joe Biden and his family illegal?
     
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    And besides, even Obama said there was no way any country, much less Russia, could change the outcome in our elections

    OBAMA: "I have never seen in my lifetime or in modern political history any presidential candidate trying to discredit the elections and the election process before votes have even taken place. It’s unprecedented. It happens to be based on no facts. Every expert, regardless of political party, regardless of ideology, conservative or liberal who has ever examined these issues in a serious way will tell you that instances of significant voter fraud are not to be found. It doesn’t really show the kind of leadership and toughness that you’d want out of a president if you start whining before the game’s even over? So I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes."

    And then Obama told Putin to knock it off, and that was that. So the only reason to continue this farce, was to use it as an excuse to spy on the Trump campaign. Then, once Hilary was our president, they could erase all tracks of their corruption....oops.

    Obama: "The Russians were responsible for hacking the DNC. In early September when I saw President Putin in China, I felt that the most effective way to ensure that that didn’t happen was to talk to him directly and tell him to cut it out, there were gonna be serious consequences if he didn’t. And in fact we did not see further tampering of the election process."
     
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    Why do you make these nothing statements. If you are going to claim Obama was a criminal - then state at least one crime.

    This is a debate site. Standing up and repeating a premise over and over again is not an argument.

    An argument consists of 2 things 1) Premise or statement of claim 2) something that backs up your claim - shows that your claim is true.

    You are missing 2. get an argument.
     
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    The Papodopoulus entrapment scheme was dirty deeds. This has dropped off the Radar - no further investigation into this that I have heard of.
     
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    This is going to get pushed under the rug - Trump has now lobbied Congress to reinstate the en mass domestic spying program.

    This Russiagate mindlessness was State Sponsored Propaganda - the purpose of which was to justify restrictions on freedom of speech, information, and of the press.

    Combine these two and what do you get ? Thought control.

    1) No Privacy - everything you say is being logged - phone, internet posts, tweets - and your TV, Computer, or "Alexa" are listening to you and sometimes watching you ... and all your movements are tracked by the GPS in your phone, Car, electronic transactions, cameras - facial recognition -

    2) Clamping down on what one can say, think, - firing people for politically incorrect tweets - censorship of ideas and thoughts, what information one can and can not receive - what people can say -

    When you mix these two - people will start to self censor because big brother is everywhere watching and listening.

    The increase to the power of Gov't is no small thing.
     
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    Jesus, at least go for Obummer or something.
     
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    Nope.. I like to unique, but thanks all the same!
     
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    Who made you the Chief Grammar Nazi here anyway? And speaking of BozoBama:

    http://BarackObamaisms.blogspot.com
     
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    Humans will NEVER "live light-years apart." Never.
    You want local autonomy, go live in a rain forest with a group of hunter-gatherers. I suggest North Sentinel Island in the Andaman Sea. The last guy who tried that was murdered with spears and arrows like most everyone else who has landed there, accidentally or otherwise.
     
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    "Everyone else does it. We're not so bad..." Dumbing down in our colleges and universities is anti-education, unintelligent. The correlation between educational spending and educational achievement is negative.
     
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    You're playing the usual Leftist Word Games. "Investigation" means looking into the actions of others to see if there were illegal actions. Joe Biden idiotically ADMITTED that he bribed Ukraine. ADMITTED IT PUBLICLY! It's a crime. He admitted to a federal crime. You defend him with silly words.
     
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    That used to be the case in public schools. Now it is true of higher education as well. Very sad. My college days were in the 1960's. I never heard a political comment from a professor. The classroom was dedicated solely to the subject of the course.
     
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    Very neat and completely untrue. Biden's "confession" was a statement of U.S. policy from which he personally gained nothing. It also echoed much of the global financial sector.

    Statement of U.S. policy is hardly a "bribe." The post doesn't even qualify under the heading of "nice try." Biden's statement was the equivalent of announcing the government's intention to cut off aid to Iran until it makes nice.
     
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    Hard for there to be scandals when no one is actually seriously investigated for anything. They all walked. Fast and Furious didn’t punish anyone of importance. Benghazi was a big zero because no one had any intention of finding wrong doing in the first place. Hillary was NEVER going to be prosecuted for doing what would send any normal person to prison when they destroy evidence.

    It sucks that we have to assume mistrust from those who we should always trust but that’s the legacy Obama brought us. He can’t be corrupt because he speaks nicely. He’d NEVER do anything wrong. /derp
     
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    Ratcliff just came out and flat out said that Obama used his DOJ to come after his enemies.

    It's all coming out.

    Will you "Democrats" stop cheering for these criminals?

    Or are you so entranced by the fascist companies you use in Apple, Google, CNN and the entertainment companies who care more about profit than America?

    What will you do when all the lies are dropped?
     
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    How did he gain nothing?

    Thats now what the Ukrainian legal system says.

    Thats not what the Ukrainian people have said, who kicked out the entire administration you are defending SPECIFICALLY FOR CORRUPTION.

    He was paid $900,000 and his son was given $160,000 per month.

    You have the gal to say he got nothing? HOW DARE YOU!!! (Best Greta accent)
     
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    Prosecutor was investigating Hunter Biden, an eight time loser to drug rehab, who frequented prostitutes, divorced his wife, married his deceased brother's widow, and was on the payroll of Ukrainian gas and oil giant, and Biden said "This is U.S. Policy, fire that S.O.B. investigating my son or we withhold your $1.8 billion."

    Your genius is showing.

    ciao
     
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    Nuremberg 2.0

    "We were only following orders."
     
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    Oh good grief.

    Of course Obama had our intelligence community as well as Justice and the FBI look into what the Russians were doing. As President, it's his job to pay attention to matters that affect national security. There were dozens of contacts between Trump's top campaign officials and known Russian officials and operatives. Were they supposed to just ignore that? If they had, you'd probably blame them for that, too.

    The pretzel logic employed by the right under Trump's "leadership" is amazing.

    :crazy:
     
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    Well, there was Trump, maybe. He was a Democrat back then, and friendly at one time with Epstein.

    Just pointing out to the Trumpsters here how very easy it is to point fingers.
     

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