Why are we a divided Nation?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Hyde Park 63, Oct 5, 2019.

  1. LangleyMan

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    Teachers are paid based on seniority, not based on whether or not they have tenure.
    The only reason a substandard teacher isn't fired is the teacher hasn't had due process under the collective agreement signed by both sides. IOW, management isn't doing their job. Why? Because how poorly some schools are run, especially in terms of discipline, will be exposed and documented.
    Schools are failing in states without teachers' unions.
    It's a bad deal because...? As for opting out, are you prepared to let people starve who don't invest or lose their money?
     
  2. LangleyMan

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    Oh, please--Canadians can get around wait lists--pay $150/month for a concierge care clinic and the clinic will find ways around the bottlenecks. It's still a lot cheaper than here.
     
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    Health insurance is why... we need to get rid of health insurers and go to straight pay consumer to providers

    Based on my bill that would cut costs by almost 2,/3
     
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    Pay bribes to get around waiting lists?
     
  5. LangleyMan

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    So, they cart you to hospital with a suspected stroke. Who is going to put money into treating you if they don't know you'll have the money to pay?
     
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    Even with insurance youre gonna get stuck with a bill you can't pay..
     
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    That's the way systems work when there's a shortage. My father had to pay his GP in Napa, CA over $100 a month over and above Medicare just to keep his doctor.

    You strike me as someone who already has the care he needs and is trying to figure out how to cut somebody else out just save money.
     
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    No, without insurance, you'll likely be turned away.
     
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    I wasn't turned away..

    With insurance my bill would have been 40 grand
    As a self payer my bill was 13,000

    There are LOTS of options for people who can't pay.
     
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    What is different today is that we have a president who is deliberately dividing the country. His rhetoric is nothing but divisive when he refers to Democrats as bad people etc.
     
  11. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    How in the Flying Fandango do you come to THAT conclusion?
     
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    Democratic primary. The two front runners are espousing socialist ideals, though it's dishonest, the third runner up Sanders I believe is genuine. And every body behind him is too.

    The fact that this is how the Democrat Party sells itself tells me that this appeals to Democrats.
     
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    I find it very hard to buy into the picture that America would, somehow, be a "more divided nation than ever before". This is a narrative mostly fabricated by the media, intellegentia and other partisan (Democratic) hegemons who are just salty because "their guy" is not in office and because the man in office gives them the middle finger rather than licking their butts (as every other President before him has).

    Most Americans are normal, good people who see individuals and not colours or voters.

    Of course, it becomes very dangerous and leans towards "dividedness" the more the narrative is pushed and that makes one wonder if it is not what these pervertedly insane people want.
     
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    I have been a liberal my entire life. You know why I call myself a liberal? Because some conservative called me that online. Until then, I had never really thought about it. But now, I am labeled a liberal. Now why would someone want to label me a liberal? Why is someone calling themselves a conservative? Why aren't all of us saying we are Americans first? You know why? Because in the late 80s and for the entire 90s, being a conservative was a way for pundits, media folks, radio jocks and TV stations to make money by making all of us into tribes that hated each other. Nothing like it exists on the left. This is a money making machine for those people who want all of us to fight each other. That is why we are so polarized, it makes some people millions to watch us tear each other to bits.
     
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    My husband recently passed away and his medical bills were over $200,000… I had to pay nothing. What really bothered me was seeing the charges and how exorbitant they were
    Let’s get rid of being sensitive and get rid of diversity...then all these crass white males can run the show
     
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    A huge number of Americans are too poor to pay out of pocket for a serious medical condition. Without insurance, hospitals would refuse to treat patients.
    How did you arrive at this conclusion?
     
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    Well, then, you either have more assets than most Americans or you got lucky.
    Why would you pay $40,000 if you could pay $13,000?
    Not enough for many of them to get the healthcare they need.
     
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    You strike me as someone who would like to see a system where the rich get to bribe their way to better care, much as 3rd world countries do.
     
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    How are these candidates socialist?
     
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    I've explained that several times in other threads, mot gonna do it again. It's just the truth
     
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    Obama started it when he sided with criminals and blamed police. European Americans have got scared and elected Trump.
    The division is built in to the legal system, you know that better then me.
     
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    This is one of the more absurd run-on sentences I've seen posted on the forum.
     
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    It's all about assimilation.

    There is no room in America for hyphenated-Americanism.

     
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    "Shoot the messenger" time? I told you how people are getting around wait lists and other problems with the delivery of medical services.
     
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    You might be able to pay out of pocket, but most Americans couldn't come up with the cash and would probably not qualify for a loan without borrowing against or selling a major asset. Hospitals would turn away a much greater percentage of patients without widespread health insurance.
     

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