Why! won't Elizabeth Warren answer the question if Middle class Taxes are going to go up

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  1. Captain Obvious

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    It’s the same old trick they always use. Try to convince the public something is what it isn’t. It’s why they can’t be trusted.
     
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    Yes, it is not a tax imposed by IRS, but it is a mandatory expense that you have to pay to private organizations because of the laws that ban people younger then 65 from accessing health insurance managed by the government.
     
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    Health Insurance is not equal to Health Care.
    That is common mistake that people make while talking about Health Care.
    That in turn, leads to all kind of confusion, manipulation and brainwash.
     
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    You don’t have to buy healthcare insurance if you don’t want it
     
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    Well, yes, absolutely, and no one from Democratic party is going to explain how Medicare for all will reduce people's expenses.
    That is because Democrats are in bed with Health Care cartel the same way as Republicans.
    Democrats just want to attract people to their side but they are not going to do anything
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its not that people dont understand that she is trying to imply that it will reduce overall expenses. Its that she refuses to acknowledge the onbvious, which is that taxes are going to go up massively. A massive tax increase equates to a massive increase in the size of government. An awful lot of people do not see that as a positive. Denying the tax increase is denying the expansion of government.
     
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    Yes, then you risk to loose all your money because medical cartel is a monopoly and they can charge anything they want for anything they want.
     
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    That is not me, that is how software works.
     
  9. struth

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    So your issue is then with that doctors charge for their care?
     
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    It is not my issue it is our issue.
    The exorbitant cost of medical services is coming from the system where several private organizations (medical cartel) have a power of the government. They can limit number of doctors, hospitals, medical services to preserve absence of competition and high cost of anything related to health care.
     
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    Not sure what law limits the number of doctors and medical staff...can you provide that?
     
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    You can be ripped off financially.
     
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    First we don't have monopolies in private health care and never have though ACA almost mandated them based on price. 2nd, and we are not talking a price difference of 100% above costs. What do you think the cost of a skillled surgical nurse should be or a skilled thoracic surgeon? What do you think the cost of an emergency room is? None of that is free nor should it be.
     
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    There will be fewer less well trained and less well qualified doctors after medicare for all than there are now. There is no provision in any of the dems plans for building more hospitals, more teaching hospitals and more medical schools and training more doctors, nurses and the rest of the medical cadre which increasingly includes technicians. In fact most of these plans will do as already happens in Europe ration care mostly away from the elderly and towards younger healthier people. In the end what it means is whether grannie lives another few years or not will be decided by some bureaucrat that doesn't know grannie from Adam's off ox.
     
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    Babylon Bee: In response to question about raising taxes on the middle class, Elizabeth Warren comes out as a gay man

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    WESTERVILLE, OH—After presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren was pressed on her plan to raise taxes on the middle class, Warren boldly answered the question by coming out as a gay man.

    "I'm glad you asked," she said. "Actually, this question has encouraged me to address some other things about my life, and I'm now ready to come clean: I have loved and had romantic encounters with men throughout my life, and I choose now to live as a gay man."

    Warren gestured to her opponent Pete Buttigieg and nodded. "Just like this man here, I am gay."

    The audience stood and applauded her bravery. Not wanting to be outdone, Buttigieg quickly came out as a double-gay lesbian trapped in a man's body.
     
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    Are Democrats going to do the same thing in 2020 that they did in 2016, nominate the the worst possible candidate? Snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

    In 2016 our choices were two really bad candidates. One was totally incompetent, which now has been proven beyond a doubt. The other had a boat load of baggage.

    In 2020, if the Democrats nominate Warren, voters will have a choice between a socialist and Trump. Good grief!
     
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    Half of what they currently make would be fair
    Gladly

    Search for Balance Budget Act of 1997 that produced tremendous shortage of physicians due to population increase.

    https://undark.org/2019/07/25/looming-doctor-shortage/
    https://www.aamc.org/advocacy-policy
    https://www.studentdoctor.net/2017/01/24/medical-students-know-fight-residency-caps/
     
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    What do you think Medical Board is? In case you did not know those are PRIVATE organizations.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federation_of_State_Medical_Boards
    It is a monopoly that make a decisions on the supply side.
     
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    The health care in Europe is way better then in U.S. no one is complaining about rationing. It is scare tactics spread in U.S. by medical cartel. There is no rationale why there will be fewer less well trained and well qualified doctors.
    Monopolies always mean corruption, lack of innovation and low quality, that is exactly what is currently happening in USA.
     
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    when you have time. google the word "medicaid"
     
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    Since the training of doctors is a private affair for the most part and we haven't built a new medical school in decades Your claim is nonsense. REsidency caps exist because you can only train so many people at once within a given institution and trying to increase that do so increases liability issues and puts patients at risk as well. ACA brought with it the early retirement of a lot of doctors that's where the shortage come from along with the open borders zealots.adding people willy nilly

    And your insistance on reducing pay for jobs that are extremely stressful and highly demanding simultaneously isn't going to increase their numbers.
     
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    It isn't a monopoly. It is a private advocacy group that all so certifies doctors and tries to make damn sure that incompetent smucks are removed from the system. It has no real power to determine prices.
     
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    Bull **** they don't That they can't get a hearing doesn't mean that grandma going with out dialysis doesn't piss some people off.
     
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    Well the price is determined by supply/demand ratio. Economics 101.
     

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