Universal Healthcare

If you haven't got any money to pay for any of it, it makes little difference. The doctors want their money and are not interested in excuses.

 

What kind of medical care can they expect if they don't have the money necessary? Do they just get thrown under the bus as far as medical care is concerned?

 

If you are an American citizen and you move to another country, you have to pay federal taxes in addition to the taxes of that country. There is also an expatriation tax if you want to abandon US citizenship.

I do support border fencing, improved technology, and increasing the number of border agents. If we reduce border security, and boost our programs, there is going to be a lot of people coming here to take advantage of our programs. Thats why we have border security. The state level won't work because its like having no border security at all.

 

We throw people under the damn bus all the time! Haven't you seen those homeless people that line the streets of every city in the country?

If you really care about people who can't afford healthcare, there's a way to bring prices way down, like relaxing the standards required to practice medicine. You could have everybody sign a waiver that says they won't sue if something goes wrong. You can import doctors from other countries and accept their licenses to practice medicine in a foreign country as a form of international license.

These are just ideas off the top of my head, but the onus isn't on me to figure out how to get people medical care. I see it as no different from any other service that people or institutions provide. You can pay for it, or not. Makes no never mind to me.

This idea that universal healthcare is the only way to do it is rather stupid because there just isn't the money available. My daughter might as well ask Santa to be made Princess of the Universe. It ain't happening. So for people who care, maybe they can come up with some ideas that are actually feasible.

 

There is no expatriation tax. You just go to the embassy and tell them you are now a citizen of country X. You lose your US citizenship, your passport is stamped invalid, and that's it.

 

Dead wrong. The vast majority of people don't have enough money to be taxed. But if you are wealthy, expect to haul over some of your net worth before shipping off to Singapore.
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/expatriation-tax

 

I support universal healthcare, but not in the form of a single payer system. I don't trust government stooges to run the healthcare system anymore than I trust private hospitals and insurance companies to do so without regulation.

What is needed is a private system with regulations to protect the interests of the patients, with a public safety net to cover those who can't afford private insurance, and which can be used to fill coverage gaps left by private insurance. An expanded medicare system, paid for by a higher FICA cap can easily be used for the second part, and this type of system would allow us to do away with the insurance mandate under Obamacare.

But one thing....if you can afford private insurance and choose not to get it, you don't get to use the safety net, and you are required to cover the cost of treatments out of pocket, with your wages being garnished to do so.

 

Hmm... well okay. I can certainly think of an easy fix to that. Become a citizen of a country, and then say to hell with the states. The US does not recognize dual citizenship, but if I'm a citizen of China, they're not going to hand me over to a foreign country who says I owe them money.

That's a pretty lame thing to do that not even banana republics do.

 

It’s a bad at idea at its root because it demands human sacrifices—it enslaves the healthy to serve the sick, robs the good to pay for the bad, and compels the individual to subordinate its judgement to government dictates.

It’s an abomination that causes the moral soul to recoil in horror and disgust. The cost is the least of it.

 

Of course it does. Look up organizations like medishare as well.
Medical billing is even more expensive for hospitals than it is for private practice.

 

Or twice depending on when he Booked what miles bonus he's got although some Dems are talking about outlawing that and taxing frequent fliers into the bargain.

 

When Obamacare was first publicized, I knew then it would screw things up so much that the only way to fix it would be Universal healthcare/single payer and other than leaving it as it is, that is what is being pushed the most. I only have about 20 years left on this earth, but I can see that being cut short if some board determines I'm too old to have a lot of money spent on some procedure I might need.

 

But that's not what these leeches want

 

That's probably your fault too.
You should pay an extra steep tax bill for that!

 

I know, that's why conservatives should tackle this issue before a progressive tries again.

We leave it up to them we will be paying for sex change operations and they'll be calling it essential health care.

 

But I should pay at least twice your costs if I make twice your income, via an income based tax rate?
Is that your position?

 

People who make more money should only pay more because 5% of 1000 is more than 5% of 100.

The progressive tax system needs to go in the trash.

And as i said earlier a universal health care program needs to be paid for mostly through cutting other programs not through increasing taxes.

I'd suggest as a starting point cutting ethanol subsidies, the crap destroys engines anyway.

 

They should pay the same dollar figure.
Income should have nothing to do with healthcare costs.

 

You are right.

I'd go for a few different buy in levels for different levels of care..

A 25 year old doesn't need the same level as a 50 year old.

Maxing out at 100 dollars per month per individual.

 

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The insurance lobby wields too much influence over our elected reps. Getting any plan that doesn’t appease them will be a non starter...

 

only government has the power to TAKE and ultimately they do it at the point of a gun!

 

Would you rather pay a few hundred dollars more in taxes and have universal healthcare coverage, or pay a few thousand a year with shoddy healthcare coverage?

 

It's not the 18th century. The reason you hate government is because the wealthy have convinced you to. The government is the only entity capable of keeping the wealthy in check, and so the wealthy have invested much to make the useful idiots (i.e., the GOP base) vote against their own interests by poisoning their minds with paranoias from centuries ago.

 

Since neither of those exists in this reality....