Hamas fires rockets at Israel

I've already proven both of your "Facts" to be false as the Israelis had planned to start another war since 1956.

According to at least one of Israel's participating generals, your nonsense about Israel facing a genocidal threat is so distorted as to be insulting to the many who know better:

"To claim that the Egyptian troops massed at the border could in any way threaten the existence of Israel is not only an insult to the intelligence of any person capable of analysing this type of situation, but above all an insult to the Israeli army.” [General Matti Peled, Chief Logistics Officer] (1)

Chaim Herzog goes on to say: “There was no danger of annihilation. The Israeli general staff never thought there was” (Maariv, 4 April 1972).

Ezer Weitzman says plainly: “The hypothesis of extermination was never envisaged in any serious meeting.” (Haaretz,29 March 1972)

Yitzhak Rabin asserted: “We were not threatened with genocide on the eve of the Six-Day War, and no such possibility ever occurred to us.” (Ibid.) (1)

No only was the danger of a "genocidal threat" laughably absurd to far more knowledgeable individuals but the Israeli General staff had planned for the '67 Land Grab for over a decade:

"Mordechaï Hod—whose forces had annihilated the Egyptian, Syrian and Jordanian aviation in little more than an hour on 5 June 1967—declared: “for sixteen years, we had been planning what took place in those first 80 minutes. We lived with that plan, we ate with it, we slept with it. We never stopped improving it.” (1)

Israeli historian Guy Laron goes on to reveal the true motives behind Israel's '67 Land Grab in his bluntly named book, “Expanding Israel’s borders”:

"In thirteen dense pages, the historian describes in detail how, almost immediately after the 1948 war, the Israeli general staff prepared in minute detail how Israel would expand its frontiers."(1)

You now have factual assessments from combined Israeli planners, participants and historians of the true reasons behind Israel's initiating its long planned '67 Land Grab.

Israel faced absolutely no "genocidal threat" and started the '67 War simply to expand its borders.



(1) "How the Israeli Generals Prepared The Conquest Long Before 1967"
https://orientxxi.info/magazine/how-the-israeli-generals-prepared-the-conquest-long-before-1967,1904

 

I've already supported both facts that Israel's attacks were indeed long planned and elective in my Post #756.

If you need further verification of these 2 realities, please see the brief article listed below (*)

Meanwhile, Israeli historian Guy Laron goes on to reveal the true motives behind Israel's '67 Land Grab in his bluntly named book, “Expanding Israel’s borders”:
"In thirteen dense pages, the historian describes in detail how, almost immediately after the 1948 war, the Israeli general staff prepared in minute detail how Israel would expand its frontiers."(*)


(*) "How the Israeli Generals Prepared The Conquest Long Before 1967"
https://orientxxi.info/magazine/how-the-israeli-generals-prepared-the-conquest-long-before-1967,1904











(*) "How the Israeli Generals Prepared The Conquest Long Before 1967"

https://orientxxi.info/magazine/how-the-israeli-generals-prepared-the-conquest-long-before-1967,1904

 

So the Jews, about two million of them, were going to take on
how many Arabs? And who was the Arab's ally? (hint, starts
with 'R' or if you like 'S' for Soviet...)
And why did the Jews start digging their own graves?
Why did the Jews give back land to Egypt?
Why did the Jews offer the Golan back to Syria in exchange
for a permanent peace treaty?

Maybe that's a clue. Grab land, hold it, do a peace deal and
give that land back?

And did the Egyptians and Russians and Syrians and Jordanians
know about this "land grab" when they sought to grab both Jewish
land and Jewish throats?

 

however, the Egyptians STARTED the war when they blocked the Straits of Tiran.

 

silly nonsense.

the Oslo Accords did not establish the final borders of palestine, hence the need for the Camp David negotiations.

they never decided if Palestine would be 90% of the West Bank, 85%, 93%, or the final status of jerusalem and its suburbs.

to argue the contrary, is just silly

 

I sourced it. And than you sourced it. I quoted that, and emphasized it in red. Too funny you fail to understand such a simple text. You got nothing to rebuke than calling it names.

 

re-epmted is just an euphemism of starting a war.

 

@Grau

That is incorrect. The Jews of Israel started the war by invading Egypt prior to that to steal the land of Sinai. The Jews have a religious claim on those lands according to their faith. There was no peace afterwards, and so...there was no start of a war when the blockade was up. The Jews ended the seize fire by a sneak attack. And so they started it again.

 

Well, that is the Colonialists propaganda.

Interview with Norman Finkelstein.

https://mondoweiss.net/2017/06/six-day-war-finkelstein/

It was an excuse for Israel to get more land and to keep people prisoner for over 50 years, killing at will.

Israel, the last of the Colonialists.

 

Filkenstein isn't the definitive arbiter of what is true or not.
You use him because his OPINION fit your own personal agenda.

And if Israel was really out to "kill at will", there wouldn't be any palestinians left by now.

 

read the article. You will find his sources.

This is an against forum rules personal attack. Like everyone I have values. Ones which go completely against Colonialism and values which suit those who currently are in a 'temporary alliance with the elite'.

You believe that Israel wants a genocide on the Palestinians. I would agree that some would like either that or a complete ethnic cleansing but most certainly not all Israelis are of this mindset. Even for those who do want such, they need to be careful about public opinion in particular that of the US. However we have seen with US citizens accepting the killing and life changing injuries given to Palestinian protesters including children, the disabled, medics and the press that the morality of the US and other civilians has hit a low not seen since the 30's as they allow this wanton killing to go on. It is part of the current low morality we see in the west - something which has not been seen since WW2. We live in very dangerous times. Will we end up as 20th C nazis and see human extinction or will we let go of this pathological thinking and come together with our humanity to save the planet and each other. Only time will tell.

 

I think the final post-conference figure was 97% of Palestinian land was to be returned
in exchange for peace. And the remainder was to come from land within Israel itself.
Gaza was offered extra land in the Negev.

Both Palestinian entities rejected this offer.
What they want isn't borders but "their" land, all of it.
Given that the Palestinians lost the wars they started, and given they are the weaker
party, what can they do?
Answer - internationalize the conflict. Thus we get global terrorism inspired in large
part by Palestine, and the world coming to the brink of two nuclear wars (1967, 1973)

And oh... insist on living in filthy "refugee camps" forever - out of principle.

 

Your radical left wing antisemitic friend Finkelstein reminds me of the holocaust
denier David Irving.
I began reading his POV and just go angry.
Got to stop.
Facts please.

The Syrian conflict began with Syria attempting to divert the Jordan river, thus
starving the Jews out. This is not mentioned - why?
Russia claimed Israel was massing forces on the Syrian border. The Israeli
PM offered to take the Russian ambassador for a drive up to the border so
he could see for himself. The ambassador refused.
This is not mentioned - why?

Egypt was the real worry. And Israel could not afford to mobilize forces for
very long as it was a tiny country. Mobilization came about with the blocking
of Tiran.

Be wary of any person who omits facts. They aren't informing you - they
are leading you.

 

Report or **** already.
I'm debating your opinions, not you.

And holy jesus on a bicycle.. Are you now projecting your opinion on me, or are you confused? You're the one who accused Israel of killing palestinians at will, not I. Or was it your impotent rage blinding you and making you post this nonsense?

And your whole life, being a brit, has benifited from colonialism. You'd probably be speaking german now if your colonies didn't provided the money, food, fuel and troops to defend your ass... TWICE! And beside posting silly cut & paste job on this forum, what are you really doing to help the palestinian cause? I've asked you many times and you always skate away. I'll tell you what your doing... SWEET ****ING NOTHING!

 

The Koran clearly states that Allah made a covenant with the Jews for the Land of Canaan.

The Koran also clearly states that Allah made the Jews exalted above the nations.

The Koran says that Allah gave the Torah and all its laws, to the Jews.

When you attack Moses, the Covenant and the Torah, you are attacking Islam.

 

Facts were given. That they made you angry and abusive towards those providing them speaks of you not the facts or those you choose to abuse.

 

No you were not. You said

That is a personal attack given because you did not like the facts which I provided.

 

By the way your identifying Finkelstein with David Irvine when Finkelstein lost almost all of his family in the Holocaust is beyond disgusting.

 

Absolutely, "facts are given"
Trouble is there are FACTS NOT GIVEN.

 

I said he REMINDS me of Irvine. Same antisemitic selective history.
True history must take on board all the facts - selecting the facts is
not history but politics.

 

I provided you with them and link. Just getting angry because they do not say what you want does not change that.

 

Again, report or shut the f. Up

 

No I would say you are the person illustrating antisemitism accusing a man who lost almost all his family in the holocaust as reminding you of a holocaust denier. You sure like to dig in with repulsive abuse when what you want is not said.

rubbish.

 

I may chose to do that. In the meantime what I said on this board was accurate and you remain simply abusive.

 

Actualy wath you post was an unsubstentiated opinion that fit your agenda also known as propaganda.

As usual from you.