Trump wants the GOP to be tougher defending him

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    The Hill writes, "President Trump on Monday urged Republicans to offer him a tougher defense on impeachment amid a few signs of GOP discontent with his administration.

    "At a Cabinet meeting, Trump praised Democratic unity while criticizing his own party for not sticking together.

    "Trump said Republicans have to "get tougher and fight" to counteract Democrats pursuing an impeachment inquiry."

    This is similar to another analogy Trump makes. Trump often depicts legitimate claims against him as an attack on America or our Constitution. He does not want his Republican colleagues in the Senate thinking the recent criticisms are about him. He wants them to think attacks on his performance is an attack on the Republican Party. He needs the Senate Republicans to exonerate him in an impeachment trial.

    Of course, this may be difficult IF the Trump Republicans grow a pair.

    Recently, he extorted foreign intervention into our Presidential election, incredibly right after the Mueller Report detailed foreign intervention in our 2016 Presidential election on Trump's behalf. Trump held back nearly $400 billion in military aid approved by Congress, and asked the Ukrainian president "for a favor." He wanted the Ukrainians to investigate his political rival, Joe Biden.

    Then Trump's acting chief of staff Mulvaney admitted that quid pro quo was used for that purpose. All of sudden, the main defense used by Trump, Trump's colleagues in Congress, and Trump's commentators on conservative media goes up in smoke.

    A rather large number of current and former White House advisors are lined up to testify against Trump in the impeachment inquiry.

    The Kurds did the fighting and dying while destroying the ISIS caliphate in Syria. Trump ordered the abandonment of that ally. He then orchestrated The Pause with Turkey, which was virtually America's unconditional surrender, giving Erdogan everything he wanted and conceding nothing.

    Erdogan will meet with Putin tomorrow to determine the next step.

    Hundreds of Kurds have been killed and thousands have been forced to leave their homes. Trump, who wants stronger efforts from GOP, responds by saying, The Kurds are “much safer” now. He also said his agreement with Erdogan saved lives.

    His policy in Syria now is very confusing. CBS reported, "Pentagon had developed a plan that would let them keep about 200 soldiers in eastern Syria to help SDF units protect oil fields — to prevent the lucrative infrastructure falling into the hands of ISIS militants."

    This reduced force of 200 is tasked with protecting the oil fields from Assad's Syrian national army, supported by the Russians, and fight the ISIS terrorists all over again with the help of the SDF.

    The SDF are the Kurds Trump betrayed. They were the ones throwing rotten potatoes and rocks at retreating Americans.

    Currently, Republicans are at a loss to defend Trump on either of these two issues, Ukraine and Syria. Essentially, Trump's chief of staff contradicted him on quid pro quo regarding the Ukraine issue, and his secretary of defense contradicted him in Syria.

    The only question is, does Trump's incompetence warrant removal from office. A majority of Americans think so.
     
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    Dirty Donald campaign has spent over $20 Million on FACEBOOK ADS since May 2018.Between September 22 and 28 2019 they spent over $700k running anti impeachment ads on Facebook.Zuckerburg must love the Dirty Donald campaign
     
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    What's interesting is he's even playing games with his party. He doesn't want the republicans to toughen up and protect him. He wants the republican party to 'toughen' up and protect themselves against the Democrats. He's not after me, he's after you. (Small matter but part of trump's mind game over his own party.)
     
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    The left has called Trump all kinds of names; Nazi and racist at the top. The republicans have been silent. It's been 2 1/2 years and he finally asks the republicans to speak up? And you have a problem with that?
     
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    After what happened with Mulvaney, he can't find anyone to cover for him. That's why he spent an hour of his staff meeting ranting. No one else will do it.
     
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    Why do you keep claiming that? You really don't know the rather large difference between "million" and "billion"??
     
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    Trump is right -- the democratic party mostly sticks together even with their stupid ideas plus they protect their members with the help of the MSM. Republicans by nature are more independent and have less of a herd mentality. And the MSM is constantly criticizing the republicans. Trump is finding out when he is falsely accused or criticized the republicans just remain in the tall grass and don't take sides. Too bad the republicans don't fight like Trump fights. The country would be better off.
     
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    Trump has had no problem calling other Republicans names (including ex staff members) why is it NEVER Trump’s own fault for the things that happen to him. Why should they stand up for him when he has such a history of stabbing people in the back?
     
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    Nero, I mean Trump has no one to back him voluntarily he must browbeat and threaten to garner support.
     
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    Trump does not inspire loyalty. He has cultivated a air of mistrust and back-stabbing so if you really want to know why people haven’t been in a hurry to support Trump then look no farther than Trump himself. At some point the buck stops there.
     
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    He has been bullying his own party since he took office. If anyone dare criticize him, they face his wrath and name calling via Twitter. Why would he think that treating people that way would inspire loyalty and a fierce defense? I believe the only thing that has inspired loyalty from republican senators is their fear of Trump's rabid base turning on them if they do not pledge allegiance to him.
     
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    The Republicans can't do much if anything in the House. They don't have the numbers. All the power and ability to make whatever rules the house must abide by comes from the party that controls it. A simple majority is all that is needed. It's the democrats that control how many Republican members will be on the committees, along with each committee devising whatever rules they want on how to handle legislation and impeachment hearings. The Republicans have no say on the rules they must abide by. The Democrats are free to call any witnesses they want, they can either allow the GOP to call their witnesses or not.

    Simply put, the house is a dictatorship run and controlled by whichever party that has the majority. Now it's always been that way. That is a political fact. In the past, we didn't have the polarization and ultra, high partisanship, even hate of each other's party that we have today. That dictatorship wasn't as apparent as both parties tried to accommodate the other. That all changed probably during Bill Clinton with the Hastert Rule. That's when polarization and the partisanship we know today began to set in. That has grown, in my opinion to become a cancer on this nation since.

    As for Trump, he needs to recognize the political facts of today, the reality of politics today, keep his big mouth shut and his fingers off twitter. He is only playing right into the Democrats hands. He needs to forget and ignore all the stuff going on in the house. The Republican controlled senate will have their chance once the trial begins. They can impose the same rules against the Democrats as the Democrats imposed against the Republicans in the house if they have a mind to.

    This polarization and ultra high partisanship will be the ruin of this country.
     
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    Dayton, some posters are so blinded by rage they make minor mistakes. The theme is always the same so why let facts get in the way. Unhappy democrats are always a hoot to watch.
    Trump has every right to call out the republicans. They owned the congress during the first two years of the Trump administration and under the leadershit of Paul Ryan, nothing got done. God bless Harry Reid and Mitch McConnell as at least Trump has set the alt- lefties agenda hack for decades with the appointment of 156 judges.
     
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    I don't think it should be a matter of loyalty -- it should be a matter of what is right and wrong. Where were the republicans during the 2 years Trump was constantly being falsely charged with colluding with the Russians? Trump has a good point that the republicans need to join the fight.
     
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    Again, why should they support a man who has shown he will throw those around him under the bus whenever it’s convenient for him to do so - from Cabinet members and Staff to military allies. Trump has a history. It’s not just about everyone else.
     
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    And people forget that is a major reason Donald Trump got the Republican nomination and hence the presidency. While Obama was president, the Republicans won election after election at every other level yet showed themselves utterly unwilling to stop Obama's policies. I remember a Republican member of congress who actually claimed the Republicans needed well over 60 Senate seats to even begin trying to oppose Obama!!

    Basically the Republican won over 1,000 elections at congressional, state, and local levels while Obama was president yet did very little with those victories. Is it any wonder that Donald Trump won in 2016?
     
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    The Republicans, minus his diehard devotees that is(on the inside, not just the ones who pay lip service), tolerate Trump because he's the president. If he was just another rank and file Republican congressman, they probably wouldn't give him the time of day. They feel no loyalty to him. They don't respect him. They are probably embarrassed by him, as we all should be.

    Trump, to them, is probably not unlike when the boss of your company brings in his incompetent child to run things. They're in charge and everyone knows it, but mostly everyone is just waiting until they trip themselves up and cost themselves the job or the person loses interest and moves on. He's a joke, he's a nitwit, but his position means that some level of loyalty and deference are necessary.

    They will cut and run from him the second it does not appear to be a political disadvantage because Trump lacks all the qualities that make a person feel real loyalty and respect towards him instead of just forced loyalty and respect.

    And it seems like that time is approaching closer and closer. One can hope anyway.
     
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    I can understand the President's frustration with the amount of false, misleading, lies, and harassment from the left....but...I think the GOP is doing the right thing, by merely allowing the Dems to hurt themselves when their lies, and false accusations get exposed. Look at the Russian collusion hoax, now Shifty has resorted to "parody" ie lies, Star Chambers, hiding evidence, and colluding with people to create false WB complaints
     
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    They are desperate , and its only going to get worse . They know they have zero candidate that can compete with Trump so they will stop at nothing . They know RBG is on her last leg and will do anything to keep trump from getting another pick or 2 . Get ready sir , dangerous times when lefty doesnt get their way . We all know it.
     
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    Judging from the tripe you post, there is very little you "know".....
     
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    For most of us the election came down to which of these two non performers will do the least harm to me as a voter. Given those parameters, it was Trump while holding my nose. Apparently most of the country agreed with my decision. Side benefit is watching the alt-lefties run around with their hair on fire while claiming to be actual registered republicans.
     
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    The thousands who show up for a Trump rally don't hold their noises.
     
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    I agree but, I did realize if Trump was nominated he would have a very large hill to climb is he was to be successful at accomplishing actual legislation. God bless him as he has pretty much erased much of obama's damage through executive action but that is reverseable if a democrat gets in the WH. I am grateful for the judges he has put on the bench and appreciate his progress with the wall but soooo much more could have been accomplished with a cooperative Republican congress. What a waste that was.
     
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    Trump further embarrassed himself by saying a part of our Constitution is phony. “You people with this phony emoluments clause,” Trump said as he took questions from reporters during a recent Cabinet meeting.
     
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    You don't have a problem with the President asking those in power to defend him and not the Constitution? This country is in such a real moral decline!

    Obama was called names too. So was Bill Clinton. Difference is that there is a real tangible basis for calling Trump the names that he's been called. They may be exaggerated... but the name-calling is not indefensible, the way it was with the other two.

    The other difference is that you will not find a single instance of any of them demanding that their Party defend them before defending the Constitution. Saying something like that alone would send Republicans out on the streets screaming for Impeachment.
     
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