Universal Healthcare

Sorry, still not seeing the connection. Why would it have any impact on surgeons, at all? It's nothing to do with them.

 

I have so many friends who are doctors but what the hell do they know.They say the paperwork is a pain in the ass but they don’t need for people to do the work for one doctor. Besides most of their workers are women so they don’t get paid big bucks!
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For sure with medications.
If they need to cover those R&D costs as our rightie friends claim. Get the rest of the world to pay more.

 

Amen.

There isn't any excuse to write laws in order to let them single out Americans for scalping!

 

Surgeons in our system are contracted to our hospitals as consulting specialists, but in practice that might only be one day a week - or even a month. Some are employed full time by the hospitals, but many also have their own private practice - where they charge whatever they want. And we have some insanely well paid surgeons in this country. They're some of the best in the world, so they'd leave if they weren't.

 

Yeah right I'll take your word for it right after hell freezes over.

 

From @Lil Mike
Medicare pays 30% to 40% lower provider and facility rates than private insurance, so it should be cheaper. What we don't know is if an entire American health care system can tolerate those massive cuts to doctors and hospitals, particularly since so many hospitals are having financial difficulties.

That's why I want this tested, because you telling me that Medicare is cheaper than private insurance (for the sake of argument I'll concede without looking it up) doesn't tell me a thing about if the healthcare system can handle it.

 

Surgeons want to make as much money as they can. They are not slaves, so they will work for the hospital that pays them the most, or will be freelancers who hospitals can call if they are willing to pay their price.

This is not going to be a state run hospital filled with poor people.

 

There is nowhere they can go to make as much money.
Half of the highest paying jobs are in healthcare.

 

So if they can't make it on what Medicare pays they can move to Canada.

 

What's stopping them from working for a hospital that doesn't accept medicare patients?

 

Yes, but that has no impact on how much a surgeon makes. He/she can contract to our public hospitals (and most will, because that's where they have access to the best equipment, facilities, and staff), at whatever contract fees they negotiate, but they will almost always have their own rooms for private work, also. That's how they end up so rich. They take bread and butter from the public system, and pile it up with 'icing' from the vain and impatient (aka, privately insured).

And why would there be 'cuts' to your public hospitals? That's actually where all the money goes.

 

Or, like ours, working in ANY hospital. Private patients being treated in public hospitals are a huge sector, for example.

 

But they're not public servants! They're PRIVATE practitioners, charging whatever they want.

 

If they can find enough customers. Nothing.

There Is No Shortage Of Doctors Willing To Take Medicare Patients

Overall, 87 percent of family medicine physicians are taking new Medicare patients, a bit lower than the 91 percent average among all docs. But among specialists, 99 percent of general surgeons and 98 percent of orthopedic surgeons take new Medicare patients compared to only about 63 percent of psychiatrists.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/howard...-willing-take-medicare-patients/#2108bed54816

 

Why would a doctor care what kind of insurance his/her patient has? A GP charges the same for everyone, irrespective of which institution is paying.

 

No wonder your confused.



https://economics21.org/m4a-reimbursements-blahous

 

It's bad in every way - not to mention unconstitutional.

I don't care what 5 activist judge nincompoops said a few years ago - FedGov involvement in providing medical care or insurance coverage is unconstitutional.

Your idea is typical left-wing, bleed to death slower nonsense.

 

Lol. Now I'm a left winger..

Just wait til Renee and Fox hastings find out.

 

No idea what that means, given it's nothing to do with an actual, established system (like mine). GPs here charge the SAME FOR EVERYONE, regardless of who pays. If a 'short consult' is $60, it's $60 no matter who you are and how you fund that consultation.

 

Well, the thread is about universal healthcare in the US. Your profile says you are from "here", so it should apply.

 

I live in a nation which has had (highly successful) public health for decades. I can actually tell you how it works. Not only that, but I worked in the system for years.

 

By all means. Give it a go.

 

We already have differing tax rates between states, and we also have a federal tax deduction for state taxes to dampen their effect slightly. And as you can see, states don't drive major government programs. Social security, welfare, medicare, and medicaid all are federal ideas. The federal government even supplements state spending in education and infrastructure. This is because states have repercussions for raising taxes, the wealthier residents will just leave, and the poor who benefit from the programs will flood the states. So these programs are mostly just on the federal level.

 

I have been

Nothing in your private practitioner system will change, only the payer changes. Your public hospitals will be much improved, however.