Transgender Cyclist Rachel McKinnon Keeps Smashing Women’s Records

I also think female athletes ought to band together and simply refuse - en masse - to compete if this is allowed.

 

There's only one sane response to this thread:

 

To a very signficant degree, yes.

We do and should permit individuals to decide ("act on" might be more accurate) their sexual preferences to a large extent. Thus, it makes little sense to demand that all individuals conform to other sexual based methods of identification.

With that said, there are some physical advantages conferred by the Y chromosome and setting some physiological (i.e. testosterone levels at an extended period of time) and psychological (i.e. provable self-identification for an extended period of time) requirements is appropriate.

I would note here that the woman who came in 3rd place and was quoted as saying it was unfair also competed against Rachel McKinnon in 13 previous events. She beat McKinnon in 11.

So to pretend that these individuals are automatically granted some supreme advantage flies in the face of the historic results and the scientific data (see below for more).

The Olympics has allowed for transgendered competitors since 2004. The amount of permissible testosterone, for a 12 month period before the event, is set to be adjusted (reduced by half) going into the 2020 Olympics. That is how it should be done. Set appropriate valuations for the different chemical (i.e. testosterone and HGH levels) and physical conditions (i.e. weight categories in some sports) and then make adjustments based on new evidence.

This is actually one of the recommendations from a large study on the advantages and limitations associated with transgendered athletes. This study concluded that there is no advantage for transgender women over individuals biologically born a female.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/...-track-world-title-397473#R5CePXuloJklhVy5.99

If you are truly concerned with size or strength of the athlete as a prerequisite for the sport, then you should consider other sports with different qualifications. For example, some of the best funny car athletes in the world are female because of their reaction times in a sport that does not reward strength or size.

Get a better analogy instead of one that relies on warping how we should evaluate time as an example for explaining how we should evaluate sexual orientation.

Given her world class capabilities in this sport, I believe she could beat your ass quite handedly. But you are free to engage in a criminal assault if you are willing to face the consequences.

 

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As I understand it, sexual preference and sex are ultimately two seperate catagories, one being a biological reality, the other being what arouses an individual.

If a trans person died in a house fire, burnt beyond recognition, forensics would identify that individual by their biological markers, identity and preferences be darned.

It's good to know you at least consider the effect testosterone has. I think the best solution is to have open divisions for these events. Many years ago when I was active in martial arts, every tournament I attended had an open division where anyone could compete, it was separated by age only. It's unfair in the fairest way possible, everyone knows the deal.

 

This is a good point...

 

The women who finished first after McKinnon won the race. McKinnon is just being given a trophy for those women's accomplishments because trans>women.

'Equality.'

 

This issue will eventually show up in "big money" sports and then we will see some major meltdowns. For example, when a guy wins the women's championship at Wimbledon and pockets $3 million - there will be some very pissed off professional women tennis players. And they will say so in public (imagine Serena's reaction to losing to a guy).

Same thing will eventually happen in women's golf. Once the big money starts going to transwomen, the biological women will revolt. And if they don't, eventually all the big money will go to guys.... but that will probably also be the undoing of the big money in women's sports. Who is going to watch it? Who is going to sponsor it?

 

The gender pay gap... brought to you by radical progressives. Hilarious!

 

You can't call it weak or deviant these days old buddy.

If you do its hate speech (forget free speech), you go to jail

You lose your job for life.

You are ostricised.

Getting hot yet?

 

I feel sorry for young girls being denied sporting scholarships to College/University, which they might otherwise have been granted, if they didn't have to compete against transgenders or males just identifying as females.

If 'progressive' bodies continue to condone this and to acquiesce to this insanity it will never be overturned until women in all of these competitions rise up and revolt.

Transgenders certainly have a right to compete but not against women. In events such as the Olympics etc they should be given their own category where they can compete against each other.

 

Why not? Should it only be against men?

 

I don't know about this particular league, but the limit that the olympic committee have set for trans-female athletes is a 10nmol testosterone level. A testosterone level of 3nmol is considered abnormally high for an adult woman. Meanwhile if an olympic athlete takes performing enhancing drugs to boost their testosterone level, they are disqualified from competing. So basically a trans-female athlete has the advantage of reducing their testosterone level to a target amount that meets the olympic committee regulations, but is well above their female competitors' testosterone levels.

That is not accurate, this individual underwent transitioning medical treatment

 

Why not against each other?

 

Ok, so it has some mangled, dangly bits. It will never have a real vagina.

 

That is an aberration of a local- municipal administration that is going against the Constitution. Their stupidity would not be help in the courts especially not in the Supreme Court.

I have a real life example of how free speech was surpressed in the early mid 1960's by a high school. A friend of mine was suspended from high school for a week because of a essay he wrote. He wrote an essay about now evil British colonialism was. Background here. We had a strong number of WWII Vets who were teachers at my high school, who went to college on the GI Bill. That was o real a good thing my history teachers both Western Civ and American were WWII GI,s. My friend's English teacher was a war Bride from England. My friend I interchanged Titian and English in his damming essay on British colonialism.

You see even back when American was great there was PC but is was the establishment of PC which ack then was not a era t progressives or liberals.

You about as old as I am you must remember that in the fifties and early 1960's authority was not challenged. Teacher, cops, priests, school prociples did whatever they wanted. Even if you came home and complained that that your teacher the evil nun who had the bad habit of slapping ser students all you got was " you must have done something to deserve it".

Anyhow my friend could not fight his suspension , his parents spoke no English the ACLU was not invented yet and if he fought this denial of free speech they would have kicked his butt out.
Bottom line is our fre leech rights have been challenged ever since the day the Constitution guaranteed them. That is why whether we agree with what a person or editorial opinion says we need to support their right to say it. Barring real sedition or calls to murder someone.

So I have a right to consider transgenderism or homosexualism to be an aberration. On the other side of the coin a whacky dackey social progressive liberal diberal has the right to say that there are 1000 different genders. Of I am Correct but the social liberal is PC - LOL

 

The reason why the female competitors can be sorta competitive against this dude is because he's lazy and chubby by the standards of this level of competition. McKinnon used to post his/hers/xirs/attack helicopters/whatevers training log, and it showed that he did about half the training miles as his female competition. The females he's going against are apex athletes in their sport, while McKinnon is a chubby dude who couldn't even make the cut to qualify in a men's race.

It's not just a matter of test levels, it's also a matter of males having thicker bone density, and more muscle mass. A person merely taking test-blockers, and dying their hair fire-engine red, doesn't negate these simple physiological realities.

If it were merely a matter of testosterone, then females could take test, and compete on the same levels as males. They can't. It doesn't work that way, because it's about more than mere test levels.

Those scientific studies are clearly mistaken, and you need to look only as far as M to F tranny MMA fighters literally crushing female skulls, and a dude with a beer gut breaking female cycling records, to tell you that reality says otherwise.

But then there are the sports, such as cycling, where strength and size are an advantage, and, in such sports, females will always be at an unfair disadvantage to dudes who are dudes.

 

Sadly, this appears to be the only viable response to this situation and it's awful that women should be forced to make such a sacrifice to protect the integrity of their sports.

 

Not according to Bruce Jenner..

 

If a transgender plays women’s tennis it’ll likely be all over. Assuming he has a “normal” mans physique and isn't petit, there won’t be much competition. The differences in strength and speed in the men’s and women’s game is on another level. Top women can barely compete with guys in the top 200-300, much less someone like Federer for example. Serena would be lucky to string a couple of points together against most men on the pro tour. It would be a slaughter. Been playing for decades and it would like women trying to compete in the NFL or NBA or Football. Just no comparison.

 

I've always found that amusing, as well. Evidently, "progressives" deny that Biology is a science.

Next thing ya know they'll be arguing that Low T males should be able to compete with women...

 

He's wrong and that can be proven scientifically.

He is welcome to live however he likes but nothing will change the fact thst he is a male and therefore a he.
Nothing will change that fact because nothing can change that fact.

If he honestly believes he is a woman. Then he had mental problems. His chromosomes determine his pronouns not his desires.

 

Biology trumps psychology Every time

 

You can talk until your day of death to me but you should direct your problem to Bruce Jenner.

 

I don't have a problem. Well not in regards to this issue anyway.