What is your opinion on the separation of Church and State?

Increase in activities and entertainment that are woefully unhealthy for a human being.

Lack of family unit, abundance of greed and individual wants, disturbing porn on tap, violence being glorified everywhere, the continued sexualisation of children, lack of authority to answer to or be fearful of. The morals of society in general which seem non existent today.

 

That's exactly what progressiveism is all about. Indulge everything new and destroy everything old.

 

I haven't berated anyone. I merely stated my opinion that the separation of church and state has had severe repercussions.

 

Hence why it isn't for me. It's actually regressive to the core.

 

Nope!

You are conflating two utterly different things.

In the USA the wall of separation has existed since the BoR was ratified and society has evolved along more or less the same path as that of the rest of the western world.

In the UK you have a State Religion that was no longer allowed to infringe upon citizens Freedom of Expression once censorship was eliminated.

Society continued to evolve and both nations have the same degree of societal change that you are bemoaning as "moral decay" and fallaciously blaming the "wall of separation" without any justifiable basis for that allegation.

Do you imagine that if you reimposed censorship that suddenly society would become any less morally decayed?

Or is the problem that the church's message of "morality" is outdated and irrelevant to the society we have today?

You appear to be AVOIDING addressing that pertinent question.

 

Could you show me proof that there was a time in human history where none of that existed?

 

It really isn't outdated at all. It's still leagues ahead of today's society, the blueprint for Christian society is the greatest ever achieved. This atheist society is fast becoming one of the worse ever created.

How do you define freedom of expression? Another thing which changes as I age is my belief that 'freedom' is utterly rubbish and purely utopian. Perhaps my definition of expression is slitting people's throats. Who are you to decide if it is right or wrong! See where this whole sage leads to? And believe me, that is where we are heading. Soon it won't be frowned upon to engage in sex with minors because you know, Freedom of expression.

A society functions and performs better when it has a set moral code which all must adhere to.

 

Nope but I can take you back to a time when it wasn't mainstream and easily accessible to children. 30 years ago.

 

Thank you for laying out your position.

Do you believe that a reinstatement of church and state - working hand in hand - will restore the 'health' of society?

I don't believe that there is 'moral decay' in our society. In some individuals, certainly - but not society as a whole. And no amount of religious instruction would change those individuals. Nor would the suppression of violent/pornographic entertainment.

 

Nope, sorry but all those things, """ Lack of family unit, abundance of greed and individual wants, disturbing porn on tap, violence being glorified everywhere, the continued sexualisation of children, lack of authority to answer to or be fearful of."""....have always existed to some degree somewhere in the world....

Now they just get more coverage...

 

Yes I agree. Beforehand it was kept in check, now they are mainstream which is where I think the separation has had a negative effect.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Nope, sorry but all those things, """ Lack of family unit, abundance of greed and individual wants, disturbing porn on tap, violence being glorified everywhere, the continued sexualisation of children, lack of authority to answer to or be fearful of."""....have always existed to some degree somewhere in the world....

Now they just get more coverage...

WHAT was "kept in check" ? Children being raped by priests? No, that was as rampant as it's always been....it just gets more coverage now..

You still have not proven there was a time when nothing bad happened... When ""Lack of family unit, abundance of greed and individual wants, disturbing porn on tap, violence being glorified everywhere, the continued sexualisation of children, lack of authority to answer to or be fearful of.""".....did not exist.

 

What did I miss? When Roy Moore tried to put the Ten Commandments monument in the Alabama State Courthouse it was a federal lawsuit that ordered it removed as violating the US Constitution. Federal law and constitutional rights trumped it.

 

I never said there was a time when nothing bad ever happened.

 

The government cannot establish a state church, like the church of England, and bury government officials right inside the church building.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-outlaws-responsible-religion-50s-70s.563246/

I was just talking about this subject. The Baptists did propose it, and what people don't spend much time thinking about, is inside the Church building there's a proud Baptist denomination Building that Tall Wall away from the prying eyes of the Government, who would have thought?

I totally object to where it is today! That's what this is surely all about! The Declaration of Independence put one Moral source above the Morals of Imperialism, of nationalism, of the British Commonwealth or language or culture or American ingenuity, and that's when Nature and Nature's God requires to explain the reasons by which one people proclaim their separation, to assume the equal powers of the Nations, that's religion! Our declaration of independence! Our Country exists on the logical element of establishing religion.

Some Deism, some self-willed junk that no one respects? No, its logically Presbyterianism in my article.

No one can accept where it is today. I was personally myself, told that Christians aren't the sort that our public schools and universities want. Unabridged total discrimination against the Equal Education and Employment acts we all are familiar with creating the supposedly enlightened society we know today. Because, American Revivalism creates a personal spirit you have to develop within yourself to come toward some 2nd American Great Awakening revivalist realization, in the midst of a congregation to come to the willed determination of a Conversion Experience and Baptism. Particularly the Baptists!

Our Presbyterian Nation of responsibility Appears, before these Ignorant administrators, when the issue of morality and responsibility and duty are put forth alone, to the international society of the Christians totally unknown to these lazy American denominations, who do not truly Attempt such a Christian empire. The Brits themselves should be a Laughing Stock! A Ludicrous Laughing Stock in the Performing of their own religions! A British Empire that never had one officially sanctioned Christian mission anywhere! We are looking at handfuls of hobbyist individuals throughout their domains largely discouraged in preference of Indian integration measures.

 

Everything.

It did nothing of the kind.

"Roy's Rock" violated neither, obviously, the fraudulent rulings of black-robed Ephors notwithstanding.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Nope, sorry but all those things, """ Lack of family unit, abundance of greed and individual wants, disturbing porn on tap, violence being glorified everywhere, the continued sexualisation of children, lack of authority to answer to or be fearful of."""....have always existed to some degree somewhere in the world....

Now they just get more coverage...

WHAT was "kept in check" ? Children being raped by priests? No, that was as rampant as it's always been....it just gets more coverage now..

You still have not proven there was a time when nothing bad happened... When ""Lack of family unit, abundance of greed and individual wants, disturbing porn on tap, violence being glorified everywhere, the continued sexualisation of children, lack of authority to answer to or be fearful of.""".....did not exist.

Quibbling over a word.

So you agree """ Lack of family unit, abundance of greed and individual wants, disturbing porn on tap, violence being glorified everywhere, the continued sexualisation of children, lack of authority to answer to or be fearful of."""

....have always existed to some degree somewhere in the world.... ?

 

the USA decades ago implemented "separation of Church FROM State" , The original intent was there NOT to be a National Church (States could have a State Church), I do not believe the Founders envisioned that there would be any other religions outside the Judeo/Christian Sphere.

 

Then nothing

Ahhh that is why it was removed.

Ahhh that is why it was removed.

Do you not understand the Supremacy Clause?

 

many Christians believed they had a God given right to own slaves, never should have been allowed - luckily many Christians's did not support slavery

agree with your second part - Secularism supports equality and religious freedom for all

 

I do not think I would blame porn on separation of church and state, especially with the preachers getting busted for molesting children and such, most that view porn in this country are Christians (only cause the majority are Christians)

 

Again, I agree. They have always existed and always will. It hasn't been as glorified and mainstream as it is now though, that's my point.

 

yep, we should always slap the religious fanatics down, the Courthouse should not be a religious institution with a bias for Christianity

 

Shall we do a quick comparison?

Slavery was NORMAL throughout the greatest part of your Christian society while it is a crime in our modern society.

Torture was NORMAL throughout the greatest part of your Christian society while it is a crime in our modern society.

Ignorance and suppression of knowledge was NORMAL throughout the greatest part of your Christian society while EDUCATION is the norm in our modern society.

Denying women their rights and treating them like 2nd class citizens was NORMAL throughout the greatest part of your Christian society while they have EQUAL RIGHTS in our modern society.

Individual freedom like Voting, Privacy and Freedom of Expression were all BANNED throughout the greatest part of your Christian society while today they are UPHELD as INDIVIDUAL Constitutional RIGHTS.

Forcing underage women to marry old men was NORMAL throughout the greatest part of your Christian society while it is a crime in our modern society.

Stoning and/or burning women as witches was NORMAL throughout the greatest part of your Christian society while that would be a crime in our modern society.

Little wonder that people prefer a SECULAR society rather than being OPPRESSED by theist dogma.