House Democrats zero in on 'abuse of power' in Trump impeachment inquiry

The lack of transparency is because Shifty and the dems don’t have anything.

 

Yes, that is most obvious to clear thinking people.

 

Sigh I have answered this so often I could puke. The Dems are hiding the exact same things that Archibald Cox ( special prosecutor) Leon Jorwarski ( special prosecutor) Ken Starr ( special prosecutor) and Robert Mueller were hiding with they did not televise every single interview they had with every single witness they talked to about their respective preliminary investigations. This impeachment inquiry is not like the previous ones because they do not have a special counsel report documenting all those investigative hours, all those interviews with all those subpoenaed witnesses that they included as the foundation for the impeachment committees

this House has to do the same work those men and their staff and lawyers and investigators did in the same confidential way that they were doing it.

 

Well we already know that Schiff lied about his staff having contact with the whistleblower before the complaint was made. I loved how quickly Schiff decided the whistleblower was "no longer needed". LOL

 

That is no justification for not opening up the hearings. It is a sickening excuse. Adam Schiff and his band of merry Democrats is no special prosecutor and this is no preliminary investigation.

 

I'm at a loss to explain why we must continually knock down those same tired claims by Trump's supporters about "Kangaroo Courts," unConstitutional process, Adam Schiff corruption, and on and on.

1. This isn't a trial, it's and investigation. No charges have been levied.
2. All testimony is behind closed doors with both Republicans and Democrats present.
3. Witnesses are invited to make opening statements.
4. Non government witnesses are entitled to have lawyers present.
5. Closed door testimony, used by both Republicans and Democrats, to prevent witnesses from coordinating testimony.

This is all Constitutional and legal, end of story.

 

You open up the hearings after you have the statements of your witnesses on record so that they cannot compare what they say with everyone else. You open up the hearings after the subpoenas have compelled the testimony of the most important witnesses and after you have your hands on the kinds of documents and testimony that Mueller, Starr, and Cox were able to acquire and look at in secret. Police don't open up their investigations to the public, neither does the FBI or the IRS nor the Dept of Justice. That tends to happen later for very very good reasons. .

 

Yes it is, who else has done the preliminary investigation on this matter? that is why the constitution provides investigatory tools to Congress. There was not special prosecutor hanging around in Teapot Dome.

 

You close hearings when there is something to hide.

 

The only reason the hearings are closed is to prevent the truth from coming out. The Democrats can now selectively leak anything they want to.

 

It’s dirty politics - clear and simple.

 

The Ukraine issue is the easiest to digest and the easiest to prove. Just stick with that one, and let anything else that falls from it land where it may.

 

You hit the nail the on head...this isn't like any other one, because there is no high crime or misdemeanor which is required and all prior ones had. This is nothing more then sour grape Dems abusing their power and office, hiding evidence from even Committee members, having secret hearings, and of course out right lying to the media about even evidence that has been shared, such as the transcript.

It's a dark day..Shifty reminds me more and more of Joe McCarthy

 

Plus everything is out in the open. The transcript is public. The corruption of the Biden’s has been admitted to. There is no crime identified. The only thing behind closed doors is the testimony of all those called in by the Democrats only.

 

Yes when Clinton and Nixon where impeached the gop didn’t hide anything, due process and the rule of law were respected

 

It's their party and you can cry if you want to....

 

Absolutely... witness testimony from making it to the White House prematurely... Gaetz wasn't trying to crash for the snacks provided...

You'll see everything you need to see when they are ready to show it to you.... although frankly, I've seen quite enough to move forward.... I'm not sure what Schiff thinks he's going to find after Taylor today...

 

The reason republicans want these investigations open before the witness have even responded to the subpoenas or been interviewed is so that they can all duplicate notes and stories. Its part of the cover up effort for Donald.

 

When you have nothing at all it doesn't really matter, does it? One nothingburger or 10 nothingburgers are still nothingburgers not real burgers. Duh Lol

 

yeah, a 5 page "transcript" of a 30 min phone call. That's Tooootes plausible

 

Transcripts are independently written by several CIA/NSA officers who then compare their notes and consolidate them into the final official transcript.

Next bogus insinuation please lol

 

you have clear Abuse of Power and Contempt of Congress.... now... with no further investigations happening.

What I think Schiff wants to try and lock down is the general knowledge about what Trump said (and to whom) about his unilateral decision to withhold the aid. I suspect there's no crazy obvious smoking gun there, since he kept that one close to the vest (for once)... but it's clear abuse of power...

Contempt of Congress speaks for itself....

 

Yeah, you'd think that wouldn't you. Turns out this particular "transcript" didn't go through the usual channels.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/tech...s-about-rough-transcript-trumps-ukraine-call/
First it was not a 'verbatim' "transcript".

Then, there is the changing structure such as the presence of ellipsis markings, which normally mean removed info, but is now claimed by Trump et al to be trail offs which were normally marked as inaudible

Someone actually read out teh transcript as though they were having the conversation, and that time was about 10 min less then the reported amount of time, especially compared to previous Trump calls and Transcripts which also conformed to the normal transcript practices (vs this one)

Also lacking is the tracking number indicating it was (normally) circulated through senior experts and the NSA review for edits and whatnot

Oh, and the classification markings which aren't supposed to be added by transcribers, there is that too.

All in all a whole pile of BS just to add to the Trump pile of crap that would shame even Dinosaurs at this point. Dont' be so easily fooled.

 

And made a precedent. The Democrats are making up the rules and ignoring precedent and basic due process considerations upon which our justice system is based.

 

I have heard that they are running out of tin foil in Democratic strongholds across the nation.