McConnell vows to acquit Trump, even though the evidence has not even been presented.

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  1. fmw

    fmw Well-Known Member

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    McConnell vows to acquit Trump, even though the evidence has not even been presented.

    Sounds like a reasonable estimate. I agree with him. But we won't find out until you folks impeach so get on with it.
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yes. You have your false narratives to push.

    If you can promote them, I can mock them.

    It's a shame that so much bandwidth is wasted on this nonsense.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Your post amazes me on the degree of closed minded commitment to D. Trump. Why? Trump shows no fealty or loyalty toward anyone else, even his closest "friends." He discards them like bags of garbage whenever they rub him the wrong way. Why does he deserve such loyalty from you or any of his other followers?

    Both Trump himself & Mulvaney have openly & publicly admitted withholding Congressional funds from Ukraine until Ukraine agreed to acting on a political investigation for Trump regarding the 2016 DNC computer hacking. Regardless of how you feel about Trump as President, this type of activity is illegal. Involving foreign states in political elections, or investigations of American elections, is illegal. Trump swore to uphold the Constitution, & act as the head of the U.S. Executive, whose duty is to enforce existing laws--NOT BREAK THEM. Your post conveys your personal political persuasions quite well, but you appear to be more concerned about Trump as your leader than your are about the security of the nation he claims to be President of. Asking Russia to hack Hillary's email during the 2016 campaign, then forcing Ukraine to re-investigate that same topic, & using funding approved by Congress for leverage, then publicly asking China to investigate the Bidens, are ALL illegal acts. All of them allow access to American records that would endanger the safety & security of the American nation. Supporting Trump unquestioningly, enables him to continue those actions & endanger our nation. I won't do that. I'm more loyal to the country than to its President, whoever that might be.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    You & McConnell both sound alike--impervious to the evidence while totally committed to protecting your glorious leader. How does that reflect ANY of our hallowed American values?
     
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    Thought Criminal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Call me when you denounce Democrats for doing the exact same thing.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    I currently know of no example of Democrats doing this. I promise you, if we find one that is, I will be on that bandwagon to impeach, convict & replace that person ASAP. This is NOT about political party or political philosophy. This is about protecting & preserving our Constitution & America as a nation.
     
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    Here ya go:

    https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/05/04/po...tigation-might-do-more-hurt-biden-than-trump/
     
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    bradt93 Well-Known Member

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    Yea right, if that was the case, you would've went along with the republicans to impeach Bill Clinton.
     
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    I'm glad McConnell is doing this, he knows it's a witch hunt.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump could shoot someone in front of the 666 Building on 5th ave and some republican would still defend him
     
  11. XploreR

    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    First, I admit the link you provided was more confusing to me than helpful, but I reiterate that I support investigations into wrongdoing for any politician that evidence supports the possibility that illegal actions are happening. I say this regardless of the party or the political philosophy that politician might represent. If it turns out that Joe Biden did break the law during his VP tenure, then I support investigating & punishment if guilty. For me, the Constitution & the nation are more important than any individual politician. I'm having a difficult time understanding how Trump supporters can be the absolute opposite.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    It's NOT a witch hunt. It's trying to protect & follow the U.S. Constitution. I understand anyone's desire to support & protect a President with whom one agrees extensively. But every American should value the Constitution to a higher degree than any elected leader. And, when any elected leader gives evidence that they are abusing their position &/or power, then we should honor the processes established by the Constitution to safeguard our government & our democracy. Trump has offered abundant evidence of such abuse of power.
     
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    Neither Trump nor Democrats have offered evidence that Trump has abused the power of his office.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    The only thing Republicans found to impeach Bill Clinton was for lying to Congressional Committees about his consensual sexual affair in the White House, when he lied to avoid having his wife find out about it. Most Congressmen on that Committee would have done the same thing if they had been the defendant. Bill Clinton did nothing to endanger our nation. Trump did, & continues doing so. I don't see how you can regard them as co--equals.
     
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    "I'm having a difficult time understanding how Trump supporters can be the absolute opposite."

    Maybe you should stop trying to understand things that aren't true.
     
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    It's been all over the news--video showing Trump & Mulvaney openly stating that they did use funds approved for Ukraine by Congress as leverage against Ukraine to get Ukraine to investigate the 2016 DNC computer hacking event, to help Trump politically. I've seen those tapes played & replayed till I'm sick of them, & they show precisely what the Democrats are alleging. Don't let your enthusiasm for Trump blind you to the truth. Trump is abusing the powers of his office. Let the facts speak for themselves, without the manipulations of Trump's propaganda machine throwing you off kilter. Trump is using the Presidency for self promotion & political revenge. He's NOT working for the best interests of the nation.
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    Almost 100% of the public statements coming from Republicans demonstrate their loyalty to Trump rather than to the U.S. Constitution they all swore an oath to "preserve, protect & defend." Trump is assaulting that Constitution, even calling it a "fake" document as recently as today. If Republicans continue in this acquiescence to Trump, irrespective of the evidence of his guilt, they will be as guilty as he in their failure to follow that oath.
     
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    You have tapes of testimony in the inquisition? How did you come by those?
     
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    XploreR Well-Known Member

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    I disagree. The White House released a transcript of notes taken during the Oval Office call to the President of Ukraine, & it's on that document where Trump tells the President that he wanted a favor first before he released the Congressional aid funds to Ukraine. This is not made up by Democrats. This is directly from documents released by Trump's White House staff. And it shows a direct illegal act by the President demanding personal favors coupled to Trump's release of those badly needed funds to Ukraine. I don't know what it would take to convince Trump sycophants of this abuse, but they have to care more for their country than they care for Trump, & they have to be willing to see & accept the truth when it's there awaiting their attention.
     
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    You liberals have been against Trump since day 1 and never gave him a chance. When he wanted to work on infrastructure, what did Pelosi do? Walk out of the meeting.
     
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    I'm repeating myself here. They've been playing & re-playing on the news networks for days. I watch MSNBC mostly, but on occasion CNN. Any station concerned with reporting the truth will be showing them. I'm not certain about FOX, since it might not harmonize with their conservative propagandist slant.
     
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    As a liberal Democrat, I admit personally being strongly anti-Trump since his election, based on what I saw in his personality & disrespectful behaviors. In those, nothing's changed. I don't regard him as a good or even acceptable choice for President of the country I love. But Speaker Pelosi has been direct & firm in her opposition to any attempt to impeach Trump on normal political grounds. And she blocked every attempt to do so. But the Ukraine situation wasn't political. It was criminal. And there are other associated things that are illegal as well. So, Pelosi was forced by the growing evidence, to allow impeachment investigations to do their thing. What they've discovered, more than supports impeachment by the House. The evidence demonstrates an ongoing effort by the President to abuse his office, & use the Presidency to enrich & empower himself, and invite foreign assistance in finding dirt on his political opponents, past & present--which is utterly illegal. Trump is not only inept, he's a national disgrace. America deserves better.

    In terms of being against a President from day one, remember the speech Mitch McConnell made either Inauguration Day 2009, or the day after, promising to do absolutely NOTHING to cooperate with the new President Obama. And McConnell stuck to that promise for 8 years. So, why are you feeling so defensive about Trump? Democrats learned many of their present behaviors from Republicans, who practiced obstructionism for 2 terms under Obama, & bragged about it incessantly.
     
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    Fake News.
     
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    Pelosi & most Democrats want to work across the aisle & pass an infrastructure bill. Early in Trump's term, the two parties did pass a bill funding infrastructure, & even gave Trump 23 $billion for his border wall. In return, it specified that Trump & Republicans would agree to allow Dreamers to remain in country & pursue citizenship. I forget which conservative lobbyist group talked with Trump to convince him to veto that bill, but he did. That experience is what convinced Mitch McConnell to stop passing any legislation that Trump could later veto. That effectively killed the effectiveness of the Congress. It's been that way since.
     
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    Which part exactly?
     

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