Brexit Deal Agreed Between UK & EU / Can UK cope without Northern Ireland?

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    The vote of the UK is suspended in the council. It happened the moment the letter invoking Article 50 was delivered.
     
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    No. The Executive, Gov, comes out of, and sits in the same Chamber as, the legislature. Whichever Party ( we vote for Parties not individuals) wins the most seats to Parliament forms the Government. The Leader of the winning Party becomes the Prime Minister. The PM chooses their own Cabinet. The Party with the next highest amount of seats forms the Shadow Cabinet and sits opposite the Gov's front benches -

    The PM may hire and fire whomever, when ever, they wish for Cabinet posts.

    A call for a vote of no confidence in the PM can be called by the Shadow Minister. If Parliament vote to get rid of them then the PM has 14 days to rally their troupes or there is a General Election or an opposition Party or a coalition of Parties can ask the Queen if they can form a Gov, if they have enough numbers to do so - Corbyn has refused to call for a vote of no confidence. Or, each Party has their own way of getting rid of their Leader even if they are PM. Or, if they are convicted of a crime.

    The problem in Parliament for te moment is a terrible Act brought in for a specific reason by Cameron - the Fixed Term Act - it holds the winning Party in Gov for 5 years unless Parliament agrees to an election ( normally a Gov may call an election when ever they want or need to) - Boris has a minority Brexit Gov - most of the rest of Parliament are Remoaners. Boris has asked for an election but Parliament has said no twice, The minority Gov is being held hostage by a baying mob.

    The bigger prob at the moment is the Speaker, Bercow - he has gone rogue. They can't get rid of the Speaker whose seat is based entirely on Honour - this Speaker is dishonourable, to put it mildly, but there is no way of getting rid - yet!
     
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    Why do people have a problem with UK leaving the EU and being free to do what we want to do with somebody else?
     
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    To every MP who wants No Deal taken off the table, who want to bury No Deal; I suggest that they don't actually want any Brexit and should concede to 2016's referendum instead of trying to force their will onto the country.
     
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    Wales is grumbling now too and Gibraltar might be rethinking their relationship with Spain. Even London is talking independence and you know it's bad when your own capital is 1 of the rats abandoning ship. The UK leaving means the end of the Union (albeit not overnight) and England on it's own, especially if they lose London, is just a bunch of goat ****ers with a funny accent.
     
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    This is why London should be like Singapore, it's own city state, **** y'all lol

    England's nice though, so is the UK, and Brits are my people, I am one and I'd hate to leave any of you behind, but London is awesome and it's where from and I've never lived outside of it, so there.
     
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    If City of London represents Brexit and William the Conqueror represents the EU; We'd finally get a deal, then the EU'd build towers (or the modern day equivalent) to protect themselves from Russia and Turkey while simultaneously having to watch UK with UK being too close for comfort on the other side.
     
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    It is a lie to say the EU is undemocratic. It is wrong to think of the EU as 'them' when until A50 the EU was us.
    The whole of the UK leaving means not staying joined, therefore a hard controlled land border in Ireland.
    Such a border breaks a solemn treaty the UK is signed up to.
     
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    You won't. At the very most Croydon is part of Greater London..though arguably Surrey or Kent. Possibly Greater London. You won't get a look in.
     
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    Croydon was in Surrey. Then it was a part of Greater London. Now it is South London.
     
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    I have never known anyone who thought of the EU as us in Britain - outside politicos perhaps. The EU was always an 'it' apart from us.

    There will be no more of a border between NI and the Republic than there is now --- that is the only reason we are still trapped in the EU and still paying them £1 billion a week for the pleasure.
     
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    Croydon's been in London since the London Borough of Croydon EST 1985 and I was born in 1986. It doesn't matter if I was born 1 day after or 1, 000 years after, Croydon's London and I was born in London and I have a British Passport that says London for place of birth too.
    Those who argue Croydon's in Surrey seem to forget I have to pay the Greater London Assembly, and have to put up with the Metropolitan Police, as well as be asked to vote for the Mayor of London every term nor do they realise I'm subject to TFL and have an Oyster Card or two laying around.
    Only an outsider with something to prove which is really pathetic since they're both wrong and pointless, would look at a line in an address over local government authority and say I'm in Surrey.
    The transport's London, the police fire and ambulance are London, and I wonder, given you seem to think Croydon's not in South London, have you lived in London since the 1970's back when Stretham was Wandsworth and Croydon was Surrey in more than name only?
    You seem out of touch with politics as well as mindsets, so I guess you can't teach an old dog new tricks since no matter what changes happen, you still think it's 1975 and flower power has died to give rise to Disco music or something; you're out of touch with 2019; Nowadays we have Trump in the White House, Britain Brexiting and Croydon in London since 1985.
    Thornton Heath (where I'm from and live in Croydon) feels more Brixton, South London than Horley, Surrey, it's not even comparable;
    Similar demographics, same busses (busses from Croydon to Brixton pass my way), same regional businesses (big up Morley's Fried Chicken, south of the river, I can walk to like 4 of these and it's a South London brand).
    I don't know if it makes you feel better pretending 1985 didn't happen and that no matter what changes the world throws at you, you're still going to be like
    'no it's not'.

    I don't know where you went after school growing up, but I went to Croydon shopping or Oxford Street and Soho (Denmark Street's in Soho, I used to go up there after school and drool on all the guitars there). For you to argue I'm not from London, is so out of date it predates me, and looks at a line of an address than a live lived.

    I work for an agency in construction and have lost count of how many iconic landmarks in London have my blood sweat tears on; and when I was ever seen to Crawley or Horsham (Surrey or Sussex) I left my house to a higher rate of pay because they couldn't hire locally and had to get me to come down and out of London to do my job.
    No matter what you think, I'm a part of London like London's part of me; and I'm a Croydonite; that's like being Texan in London.
     
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    I fall well within the boundaries of the M25 7 miles due south of Big Ben/Houses of Parliament/Westminster, that any Independent London making M25 it's border would see me and millions others become independent with an Independent London.

    That said, I'm not against the square mile/The City of London having Tax Haven status, but this wouldn't include Canary Wharf where Visa, Mastercard and HSBC have their UK offices, so I'm also all for having the M25 be the border of 'Singapore on the Thames' to include Canary Wharf, and as luck would have it, me and my LTD too.
     
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    Croydon's Surrey in name only and is in London and has been since 1985 @alexa, if you genuinely didn't know.

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    Also, in my book, I have it since 1985 and Thatcher, but according to everything else I find, it's more or less this picture above and 1965 and that whole mini (and I do mean mini) Mini Manhattan that Croydon had back then. (I grew up here, I learned this in school about Croydon).
     
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    @alexa
    Croydon's in Surrey like Brixton and Lambeth is in Surrey. 1888, 1965, these two years have one thing in common; they're in past.
    No matter how recent and event of a lifetime of it's effect; to say Croydon's subject to anything Surrey (apart from that one line of address), is wrong.
     
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    London has like; (there's more I think but I'm not sure which ones) but sits over various counties, including, Surrey, Middlesex, Essex and Kent.
     
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    I can see Rhetoric from all of your posts that I have got you worried. When I lived in London we considered Croydon..and I did go there a few times to be out in the country. Let go of any hope you have of holding on to the shirt tales of the robbers. They will have no interest in you. You do not need to worry about it though. There will never be an Independent London...not unless it is looted and set ablaze first. All of the UK but London goes on about how everything is for London.
     
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    London's so big, it's arguably its own small region of inside the M25; it sits over multiple counties including, Surrey, Middlesex, Essex and Kent (it covers more but I'm not sure which ones exactly)...
    I cannot tell you how many London Boroughs there are off the top of my head and I would need to use the internet to get the answer, and I have looked at maps of Greater London...
    "I ain't even heard of before!"
    "on more than one occasion too!"
    - with Croydon in the South (that's me) and I can't say exactly how many boroughs I have been too, but, it's a lot, I can always find my home borough on the map bordering Surrey County Councils because once upon a time - before me, before Croydon was ever a town in the London Borough of Croydon, before 071 and 081 and 0171 and 0181 and 020 7 and 020 8 and only on mobile phones do I need to bother with dialing 020... I'm used to dialing '8 something something something...' or '7 something something something' on landline too if I ever have to call Croydon (or wherever, it could be out of the other side of London but the same area code as me) all because it's in the 020 7/020 8 area codes of 7 and 8 out here.
    It's like 214 for New York City, 215 for Philadelphia and 216 for Los Angeles, I'm 020 8 in my part of London and Central London's got 020 8 - however, 020 8 or 7 doesn't cover all of London Borough of Croydon making the phone company still call half of it Surrey and this was alien to me since I grew up in South London basically.

    There are parts of Croydon that, to me, aren't London, even though, we share borough so they have to put up with the same elections I have to bar any by-election in any specific UK parliament/parliamentary constituency because The London borough of Croydon is broken down into three, Croydon North, where I was born and reside today, Croydon Central, where I grew up and I've never lived outside of Croydon but all around a part of it, and the other half; Croydon South.
    Croydon North; Labour heartland, stronghold. To a personal degree (small town, father was involved in politics for this party I'm not loving its manifesto or scandals and ideology of today little lone stance on the United States refusing to work with Donald Trump), the ruling party where I live and was raised.
    Croydon Central, Floating voter, sometimes it's Labour (Liberal to a socialist end), sometimes it's Tory (Conservative).
    Croydon South; Conservative country, this is where multi million pound luxury gated communities are as well as a lot of the old money.
    People come from Croydon, people move to Purley; so it's a mixture of both GIVEN, London, UK, small country, big world, big influence on that big world.
    It's really cool having millions of people living all around me and flight paths and a standard.
    I'm a geek in that I like to do plane spotting in the garden and out and about.
    Brixton is a good place to see cool aeroplanes, and so is Hyde Park (near Mayfair), and so is Streatham Common, and so is Thornton Heath, South Norwood...

    Wimbledon? Do they go out that far? I'm not sure, I once had a teacher who was from somewhere up in the North East, Sunderland/Newcastle way, and lived in Wimbledon and taught me at a comprehensive in South Croydon was amazed to see them in Croydon and used the term 'out in here in Croydon' when she plane spotted herself one day; I used public transport everyday to get to that school from Woodside/South Norwood/Addiscombe way in Croydon Central - floating voter country that also includes Croydon Town Centre/heart of local government and as far as Croydon's concerned; we got that CR0 postcode with the 0 in CR0 being unique because we trade so much, we basically gave you the postcode Britain (our zip codes, probably even the world's first? - came from Croydon).

    Me talking about Croydon...
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    Inner and outer London. Inner London proper London. Outer well just that.
     
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    Nah, Thornton Heath feels like Brixton with the public bus and the demographics and the regional chicken shops and I've never lived anywhere souther, how about that? It feels like Brixton like London feels like home to me, but that said; UK Postcode Mosiacs (Tony Blair/Gordon Brown Era government and market research) had Brixton and South Norwood and Thornton Heath down to the T' and classified them as different games completely to Brixton, but the same as Wood Green and Palmer's Green probably some 24 miles away ono the other side of town (Town being Greater London, my home town... London basically);
    Brixton's still the town over to me, in my head, and it's in the whole other borough. Thornton Heath, is still London though and still Croydon.
    I actually passed them filming this

    on my way home from work where I snapped shotted my avatar at the Gherkin/St Mary's Axe, City of London that day.

    I noticed his chain/his bling - before I noticed his camera crew ... That's what type of place I'm from.
     
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    Croydon was Surrey in my life time - then they started cutting into borders - Thatch did it to gain seats and the EU did it to morph us into their EU regions. Thatch also got rid of the GLC and stuck us with a bloody Assembly.
     
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    Essentially Boris is going to make NI a special economic case but the Isle of Man, Channel Islands, Gib etc are all the same. Arlene should hold out for concessions, save H&W and get a blanket amnesty for the security forces over the Troubles.
     
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    The Deal was pulled yesterday because of the negative vote on the timetable - waiting on the EU as to whether they will give Parliament their extension - An election is the next, but difficult, step - if the extension is given. No doubt one will be given but the Deal will not come back to this Parliament.

    Isle of Man and Jersey and Guernsey are not in the UK - they govern themselves.
     
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