Brexit Deal Agreed Between UK & EU / Can UK cope without Northern Ireland?

Our parents said the same things about our generation.

 

That is not true of my generation, on any level. As soon as we could vote most of us did. Especially if we felt strongly about something.

Of certain aspects of youth almost all older generations complain and vica versa = that is normal and always has been according to Ancient thought -seen in the three generations of the Gods.

The young Remoaners who are winging because the vote went against their 'I want's but they hadn't actually bothered to vote themselves - really are the limit.

So many young people that I know and or meet now are the sweetest dearest things, on a personal level but ................. serious debate and critical thought seem to have been made impossible for most to contemplate..

 

Could the rest of the UK let go of Northern Ireland to pull Britain out of the EU and unite Ireland in EU eyes only and keep EU in the UK but out of Britain?
Is this more of Northern Ireland wanting to do whatever Britain does/the rest of the UK does or more wanting to leave the EU and not being subject to EU?

Why should Ireland be united when it doesn't want to be?
Why should the island of Ireland remain in the EU when it doesn't want to be if it means the rest of the UK/Britain doesn't and is free?
Why should ROI enjoy a frictionless island to ease themselves when it will disrupt Northern Ireland?

 

Request from Gov for a General Election on 12th December is going to be put to Parliament on Monday. So it looks as though Macron hasn't got his way in the Council. We will be given/ordered to take a 3mth extension.

 

That is a big if. If i became warren buffet..... that would help me post retirement.....

 

He's not afraid of a General Election. He has been wanting one for a long time. It is just that all the people who are not for No Deal have been determined to do everything they can to make sure it does not happen. Boris is not trusted. Frankly we do not know who will win the next election. UK politics are crazy. That being said all but the hard right are determined to not leave their constituencies with No Deal. It is the poorest it would hurt the most. It is the Hedge Funds who would be celebrating most.

 

They don't care. They want chaos - that and/or to recover our imperial might!

 

You are mistaking the view of the DUP for that of the people of Northern Ireland. Yours is a minority view.

If you had listened to the news you would know that people are already threatening to blow up any border controls. Move the way you are suggesting, ignoring the people of Northern Ireland just because they do not think like you and you are destroying the Good Friday Agreement. Bye Bye to any American Deal for you.

 

How would hedge funds benefit?
It seems to me hysterical and overreacting stock market is the place that will see the biggest loss in the immediate aftermath of the no deal Brexit.

 

Check out who boris and Friends backers are. This arguably is a fight between the Banks and the Hedge Funds.
Boris, Brexit and the Hedge Funds (Part 1)

THE HEDGE FUND CABAL BEHIND BREXIT

 

I believe the problem is that the winning vote of 'leave' is supposed to apply to the whole of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
What is proposed in the latest deal/treaty is not 'leave' for the whole country.
Therefore it is not brexit.
In terms of your three questions, maybe the first one might read why should Ireland be re-united if it doesn't want to be? The simple answer is it shouldn't.
For the second question the Republic of Ireland part of the island did not vote, and it is part of the EU that the UK wishes to leave. If the rest of the island with the rest of the UK wishes to go it's own way then the Republic of Ireland is not stopping that happening. hence the UK and NI have voted to establish a border.
For the third question the ROI wants things to remain frictionless because of the common travel area, and the peace process strengthened by the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement.
The answer is for the UK to renege on the Good Friday Agreement and establish a hard border with the EU on the island of Ireland. This is what brexit voters voted for whether they realise it or not.
The UK will have to accept the consequences of their decision, or not have brexit as defined by the word 'leave'.

 

It is Leave for the whole of the UK but on a different time scale due to different circumstance. Great Britain can be totally clear in 1-2 years but NI in four, when their Parliament shall decide where to go next. The DUP were on board with the deal - when I hear it being discussing in Parliament now, usually to an empty House btw, it is the details they are thrashing out, not the concept.

Of course the Republic didn't have a vote they are not a part of the UK. My God do you want Canada voting in your political matters?

Westminster will never renege on the Good Friday Agreement but, out of curiosity, just who do you propose shall patrol this hard border of yours? Huh? Whoever it is good luck to them but please don't ask our soldiers to do it again or will you, as was threatened last time, call in the UN? Honestly ------ the problems, as I see it, for NI over this deal are in the details - ie NI catch fish - some destined for the EU some for domestic consumption - how will that work? They are also asking about GB - NI controls. There already are controls on animals and other produce to and from NI - GB - but they are asking the specifics now - not about the concept which has been agreed upon.

No-body here likes this deal - it was Mays not Boris's - but we will Leave at the end of the transition period which we couldn't do with May's deal. A no-deal would never be agreed by Parliament so we are stuck with this one - unless ..............

 

Brexit wasting Scotland's money when 2/3rds of the people say NO.

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/14835/brexit-uncertainty-has-cost-scottish-economy-3-billion

 

That is exactly what our parents said, too.

 

I was responding to another poster whose post seemed to suggest that the UK or the ROI could hold sway in each-others countries.
However to examine what you say, the brexit vote was not for a deal of any kind, but certainly not for the UK to leave the EU in stages and in piecemeal fashion.
I agree there are different circumstances, but that was not made in any way clear to the referendum electorate, that things would be different for each constituent country of the UK, Scotland would have been all ears to such a pre referendum suggestion.
The people voted plain leave, nothing else was on the ballot paper.
As for the hard border (not of mine but of the UK's) if it is to be left as it is, almost the same as going from Yorkshire to Lancashire, then it is a completely open land border with the EU and therefore brexit won't have happened certainly in practical terms, where the details you refer to are part of the consideration.
Ultimately with two different systems either side of a divide there will end up being something that marks out that division. If that happens then it will be the UK that reneges on the Good Friday Agreement.

 

The opposition are afraid of an election. Corbyn asked for one every week for 2 years solidly - as soon as he was offered one by Boris he about turned. 1st he promised Boris his election if Boris allowed the Benn 'Surrender Act' to go through - Boris did. Corbyn reneged - now they are promising Boris one if he 'stands on his head whilst juggling tulips with his toes'. They will probably deny Boris his election - they have denied the Withdrawal Agreement a pass - Corbyn refuses to call for a vote of no-confidence. There are no more excuses - Remain voters have come over to Leave in their droves because of the atrocious behavior of the wreckers in Parliament and their helpers.

Leave voters are not right wing - the main body are working class Labour voters which is why Labour are afraid of a GE.

 

So we have been saying - shouting for the last three years. We know what should have happened - the 1972 Act should have been repealed - Art 50 triggered - we should have left with a free market agreement in place before or after BUT we got May! May called an election after failing and the country told the lot of them we didn't trust any of them - so she was stuck with a minority Gov with the DUP on side. Boris took over with a limited period to get the EU to renegotiate May's deal - he had no other choice but May's deal - because we won't wait for another 3 1/2 years - there will be civil unrest for we have been patient enough. Boris came back with a get out clause to May's flawed deal.

We understand about the border, sweet heart No- one wants anymore checks on it than there are now - The whole of the Swiss border is open and yet they are not in the EU - that is the intent for the Irish border in a few years time.

If the EU want to put checks on the border they will loose people and the Troubles will be resurrected. No one else is going to do it.

Tusk offered us a free trade agreement in the first place - May turned it down.

But ----- Brexit was not about trade - it was about the total dismantlement of our country and our losses to the plunder of the EU - It's 84 thousand laws which have turned our own country into a foreign country where we no longer understand it or feel at home. That, that complete rearrangement of our old ways of being now being run differently by Brussels is why we are better leaving slowly - in my opinion. But we shall see - the 31st is not yet upon us.

 

Then you were educated in or after the later 1970s and they would have been right - in the main.

 

Wasting Scottish money - you are having a laugh aren't you?

Ever heard of the Barnett formula which gives Scotland a larger % of our money than any other part of the UK. It is perhaps the other way around alexa - It is England which got the worse deal not NI or Scotland or Wales -

This is why we are sick of the SNP whinging and whining. No medical prescription charges there - free Uni education for their kids - on our taxes they live well and still they want to go --- then let them bloody well go and we can keep our taxes for our children and our sick!

Plus their SNP MPs by refusing to let us out are costing every one a fortune in protection money to the EU - the sooner those boring coke sniffing farts are out of Westminster the better - they do their country and people no good at all.

 

before the 70s

 

Vietnam then.

 

Not as a West German.

 

The problem is the wealthy elite, the average person in the UK can cope quite well without Northern Ireland, the elites fear the fracturing of the UK, and they stand most to lose. Brexit serves the everyday man which is why the establishment is dead set against it

 

When you say the whole of the Swiss border is open you might want to consider this:

https://infacts.org/bbc-lets-brexiters-swiss-border-untruths-go-unchecked/

If the UK is not going to put checks on the land border with the EU then fine, it will be no brexit after all.
You are right to say brexit was not about trade, but neither was it about anything else you mention, the only thing on the ballot paper was 'leave'.
It is certainly not down to the EU that the UK can't get it's act together to leave, May's deal, Johnson's deal, elections, parliament and the rest. The whole farrago is the UK's doing.
Brexiteers say they knew what they were voting for, and amongst hundreds of reasons the only one we can be sure of is they voted 'leave'. Not 'stay joined'. If they meant 'leave but stay joined to the EU via the land border in Ireland' they should've put that on the ballot paper.
Brexit voters are simply left to contemplate, and to action the word and concept of 'leave' because that is what won the vote.

 

Many average people in the UK are in Northern Ireland. How do you mean they can cope quite well? Cope quite well without themselves?
It does not make sense.