A “never Trumper” speaks - I’m Proud to Be Called Human Scum

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/trumps-tweet-makes-me-proud-be-human-scum/600685/

Can you really argue against ideals such as the “separation of powers” “rule of law” and a system of checks and balances?

 

It's hardly a novel point being made, but very valuable and persuasive in the current climate.

 

Sounds like an idealist. I doubt he'll be happier with many other viable Republican candidates either (and certainly not Democrats).

I see that many of these idealistic Conservatives want to play by fair rules, while the other side does not.

 

The real issue is that Congress over the years has passed a lot of laws placing power into the hands of the position when it was a Democrat president.

There was a tendency to try to centralize power into the hands of one person in an attempt for their side to try to retain control. Or because their inclinations are to believe government is the solution to all problems and fundamentally can do no wrong. (Why worry about a government official having so much power therefore?)

 

Good to know that there are still genuine conservatives out there and that there are even a few who are willing to stand up and speak the TRUTH to the existing CORRUPT power structure that is supporting the BLOTUS and the GOP!

Needless to say those that do this are going to be vilified but they are not alone. Farmers are another group who have had enough and turning away from the BLOTUS. College educated women are rejecting his racism and hatred.

This is becoming a TREND and that means that there will be others who will FOLLOW this trend and it will have an impact in 2020.

 

Don't think Trump has done anything that Obama didn't do, but you'll only hear the complaints when it's a Republican.

But I am concerned about the ante getting gradually racheted up over time, over successive presidential administrations.
These type of partisan political tactics can escalate.

 

It's entertaining to watch Trump scare Progressives back to the Constitution. Wonder how long that will last once he's gone.

 

A lot of that is simply self serving prattle, more of it is a refusal to face reality. All in all it is the all to human desire to eat one's cake and have it too. The problem with Mr. Never Trumper is that his refusal to get his pristine little pinkies dirty for the sake of his ideals and then blame the person who revealed that they were being eroded away on his watch by many of the very people he served is just silly.

It's all well and good to talk about things like separation of powers and rule of law, and checks and balances. but if you aren't willing to fight the real threats none of which are actually Trump, then you have become just another noisome little pest busily trying to protect it's share of the enormous cow pie that is now DC.

 

Its disgusting that those who claim they believe in the constitution,
are the very ones allowing it to be destroyed!

 

Oh I'm sure that the current radical progressives seizing hold of the Democratic Party could be better trusted to safeguard the Constitution...

[bit of sarcasm in case some of you couldn't tell]

 

If Trump is not the "real" threat to the Constitution, what is?

 

-The democrat/fake news/deep state coup attempt.
-Witch hunts/fishing expeditions against political opponents started on false pretenses
-FISA court abuses, illegal spying on American citizens
...

Duh.

 

Bureaucracy, government by investigation as currently being done in the US house, The coopting of the mainstream Media by the Democratic party and Vice versa. If I thought for a while longer I'm sure I could come up with more, but that will do for openers.

 

Lol if he actually claims that FISA court abuses, fishing expeditions started on false pretenses, framing and entrapping of innocent political opponents by corrupt politicized law enforcement, violations of due process represent American ideals, if he claims that lying, spinning, fake news, RESIST media is representation of free press, he is either

-a lying human scum blinded by hate.
-a brain-dead delusional idiot blinded by hate.

 

It not only can happen here. It is.

 

What do you mean by "Government by Investigation"? How is the Democratic Party co-opting the Mainstream Media?

 

Since the house Democrats can't effectively do much else they have decided to spend the next two years harassing the president by any means necessary including secret hearings and highly selective leaks. By the way if you aren't already aware of the fact that CNN aka the Clinton News Network, and the REst of the Alphabet soup media are little more than the propaganda ministry of the DNC at this point, I'm not sure there is anything I can say to get you to except the truth of that statement.

 

What FISA court abuses are you talking about. What specific false pretenses? What specific violations of due process?

 

Then why doesn't Trump cooperate fully with them? Why doesn't he come clean and himself present all the evidence they are asking for to the Media? Why is he refusing subpoenas and telling his assistants to do the same? Why hasn't he demanded that he be able to address them himself? If he has truly done nothing wrong then the truth will set him free.

How is the Mainstream Media being co-opted?

 

The idea of separation of powers was considered nice back in the day, but it was never adopted. The founders went with making congress the most powerful branch of the government, and it still is. There are many checks and balances within congress such as the house and the senate, as well as the two other branches which need to work with the other branches to get anything done, but separation of powers was never anything more than a pipe dream.

This guy can not like Trump all day long, but that doesn't mean much. Just another guy who doesn't like the President. It's not illegal, and he's free to have his own ideas on who should have won, but I'm not buying his nonsense for a second.

 

Because he doesn't have to.

 

Your BLOTUS is NOT above the Law of the Land!

He is REQUIRED to obey subpoena's and FAILURE to do so amounts to OOJ!

 

They do have the power of impeachment, which is another one of those checks.

Good luck getting that through the senate. I seem to recall the GOP has a firm grip on that one.

What you do have to contend with is that Trump is the executive branch. That means he executes the law. Congress can write all they want, but they can't do anything without Trump doing it for them.

 

Leaving aside for the moment the very many and quite weighty arguments saying that he most certainly does my question is; Why doesn't he anyway? He is not our King and not our ruler. He is our employee and accountable to us, as any employee is to his employers.

 

They have that firm grip on for now but that could change. Their fear is that Trumps base will run Primary Challenges to them if they turn on him. The problem with that is that Trump's unpopularity might pull them down in the General whether they are the Party candidate or not. They will vote Trump out in a minute if they think that supporting him will result in their own destruction. They are not going to worry about being on Trump's coattails if Trump himself is in mud over his head.