Why are we a divided Nation?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Hyde Park 63, Oct 5, 2019.

  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    "How dare you persecute us by preventing us from persecuting others"?

    Your right to have your beliefs does NOT include the right to impose those beliefs on others. That's the whole POINT of religious freedom.
     
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    Tell it to the homosexuals who would impose their beliefs on Christians by making them accept them as moral, normal, etc.
     
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    They were found guilty by circumstantial evidences. It is a perfectly legal in United States to put anyone in jail if prosecutor can convince jury. It is call problem of adversarial system where the court act as a referee between the prosecution and the defense.
     
  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    If by "acceptance" you mean not discriminating against them, not beating them up out of hand and killing them for sport, than I guess they are imposing their beliefs, though i think it's more along the lines of making so-called "Christians" actually believe in theirs.
     
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  5. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    And if further actual evidence is found that exonerates one you have to let them go. Trump wants them executed for being black, just like he wants to deport all the Hispanics and everyone else not of the "Master Race"
     
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    There's no reason to be against same-sex marriage if you're not a homosexual who is forced to do so.

    A bunch of people who are against the happiness of others is surely a hate group.
     
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    Except for the Apostle Paul.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)

    9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the Kingdom of God.


    1 Timothy 1:8-11 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
    8 But we know that the law is good if a man use it lawfully,
    9 knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
    10 for whoremongers, for those who defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine
    11 according to the glorious Gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

    Romans 1 21st Century King James Version (KJ21)
    24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies among themselves.
    25 They changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
    26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women changed the natural use into that which is against nature.
    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men, working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense for their error which was meet.
    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not fitting,
    29 being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malignity. They are whisperers,
    30 backbiters, haters of God, spiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
    31 without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affections, implacable, unmerciful.
    32 And knowing the judgment of God, that those who commit such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but have pleasure in those who do them.

    And Moses...

    The Law Of Moses Condemned Homosexuality, Putting It In The Same Category As Beastiality
    Leviticus 18:22 reads “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” The very next verse says “Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.” Do you see how the old testament law calls homosexuality an abomination, and puts it in the same category as having sex with an animal?

    This is repeated in Leviticus 20:13-15: If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. … And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast. And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

    So, I put it to you as Paul put it to the Romans... should Christians obey God or man?


    So people who oppose NAMBLA are a hate group? Surely you can't be against the happiness of those who wish to sodomize young boys.
     
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    Sorry, bro. I forgot to mention that the rights of others shouldn't be violated.
    My fault. :(
     
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    As my law professor quite rightly pointed out, there are no rights that don't infringe on the rights of someone else. The right not to be a slave infringes on the rights of those who would like to own slaves. The right to defend oneself against a bank robber infringes on the rights of bank robbers not to get shot. The right not to be discriminated against in housing infringes on the rights of those who would like to live in all-white neighborhoods. Etc., etc.
     
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    But Trump wanted them dead even after being found guilty on 'circumstantial' evidence. It's 30 years later, and he STILL can't admit he was wrong --much less apologize to them.
     
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    Mmm.
    1999 - 6.8%
    193,000
    38600 down.
    1006 payment
    61526 income
    20% of income

    2019 - 4.46%
    298774
    59730 down
    1254 payment.
    63179 income
    24% of income

    20% increase.
     
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    LOL. Name us a few conservatives who want old and sick people to die.

    What we do want is more familial and local control over issues of aging and health care.
     
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    It sounds great in theory, but it essentially mean let sick and old people die.
    Because capitalism assumes to get rid of anything that is not profitable.
     
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    what happenned to the rules here?? OP has no link.. We have always been divided.. Franklin liked the British until nobody could..
     
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    I am sorry to make a fuss but I have been banned for what you did there myself^^^^^^
     
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    Yes, but he was not a politician at that time, his emotions were understandable, because criminals ruled the city at that time and police did not do anything about that.
     
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    That is a problem right there, that is a perfect example of division. People have no idea what gay marriage means.
    You are accusing people for hate, even though many of them simply do not understand why gays should have special privileges at the expense of society.
     
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    By "familial" you mean let the extended (nonexistent ) families pay, and by "local" you mean "let the local governments ( who don't have nearly enough money) pay." In either case gramps ends up in the ground

    I don't know of any pol who will come right out and say old and sick people should die, but I know several who want to pass legislation that will pretty much guarantee that will happen.
     
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    Yeah, did you use the lowest rate in 1999 and the highest rate in 2019? Also, why did you use adjusted income but raw housing prices? The median income in 1999 wasn't 61526, and you weren't going to get approved for home financing by using your 1999 income in 2019 dollars.

    My calculations carry the day.
     
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    I'm talking about ANY migrants who don't assimilate.
     
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    Why do you think people don't have families?
     
  22. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    People don't have EXTENDED families any more. They still exist but they are very rare and they never had the resources necessary to pay for modern medical bills anyway, it's ludicrous even to suggest they can cover for Medicare.
     
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    Criminals ruled the city at that time? Are you familiar with NYC? That was1989, not 1964 when it was more dangerous.
     
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    That happens regardless. How old are you?
     
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    Most people get sick because of poor diet and lack of exercise, which I guess is also the government's responsibility. I say most, not all.
     
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