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  1. StillBlue

    StillBlue Well-Known Member

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    And not one problem you state is addressed by extending the barriers beyond their present places. Better equipping the border check points would. Better equipping the Coast guard would. Better equipping the courts and detention facilities would. All these that would do some good would cost a lot less than the vanity wall. But Trump would never see his name on a Coast Guard ship in 40 foot letters so it's a no go for his vanity.
     
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    So you suggest we hire more people at the gates, and they will all just come and ask for permission.
    You have let your hate bury your common sense, and support a BS position totally because you dislike Trump's personality.
    Can't find any respect for that anywhere.
     
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    1 last try. You live on a property with an ally in back. Your security cameras detect that 94% of your burglars and vandals come in through the broken gate. Do you A: spend your money on fixing the gate. Or B: build a huge wall in front, the only one on the block, the marvel of the neighborhood, envy to all and call it with pride Spirit's Wall leaving the gate in back in disrepair.
    Personally I'd forgo the monumental Blue's Wall and the glory in favor of a good locked gate in back and the security.
     
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    So, if we named the wall after you or some dem you love, everything would change. I understand that. I know that because you argue based on it being a Trump accomplishment, and god forbid that happening, no matter what the item is.

    Since we have only 330 points of entry, with 16,600 agents working that southern border, and still overwhelmed. That's 75% of the total of such officers in the nation. You figure those are just broken gates and useless people doing nothing?

    Sounds like you are in favor of a good gate in a yard with no fence. That way, everyone who wishes to slip in will come to the gate, because it's not broken....... You think.
    Plans that don't work are a dime a dozen. We've tried prohibition. We've been losing the "War on drugs" now for 50 years. Obviously we are losing the battle to control our own borders for the same reason- Unrealistic, short-sighted and under-funded solutions. We have far too many stupid people demanding that we compromise working solutions to or fail to use them and of course that insures they never work- and those people are apparently not bright enough to figure it out or they just don't give a damn.

    One illegal immigrant was deported this year, for the 44th time in 15 years.
    He's been traveling in and out at his leisure, probably 4-5 times as often as he has been caught. It's obviously not difficult to avoid it.
    Do you think he just can't find the door?
    Or has it occurred to you that the system we have now is not strong enough to prevent people doing that?

    That wall need to go from the pacific to the gulf, not just across the front yard.
    And if I fix the broken gate you surmise is in my yard- it will become a closed part of the fence around my entire yard.... the wall excluding people who don't have permission.
    People wanting to enter somewhere are going to take the easiest route- and most of the current would-be immigrants think knocking on the door and waiting is just not fair, and they don't have the time- so to hell with our rules.
    The problem is not that we lack a door or process, but that we can't control the areas between the doors- AND, that a great many of those wanting in especially the worst of them- know they are not eligible, so why the hell would they come to any door in the first place?
     
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    In Canada I hear the waiting time for knee operations can be 2 years.

    If this man was under Canada's medical care system, he would likely still not have had a knee surgery yet.
     
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    Democrats' idea of border security:

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    I'd say that pretty well sums it up.....
     
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    As effective as Trump's vanity wall with money left over for actual border security measures.
     
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    So if we count the number of people climbing over the existing wall areas compared to those walking around the walls, there would be more people climbing over. You think?
    Those people may be uneducated, they may be devoid of character- but they are bright enough to know the difference and take the easy way- and coming to the gate is obviously not the choice

    IF we make the gate the easy way, legitimate immigrants will come there. The guy who has been deported 44 times in the last 15 years, and all his friends- still need to be discouraged.

    According the CBP.gov, the border patrol site:

    In FY18, a total of 396,579 individuals were apprehended between ports of entry on our Southwest Border. That is more than the population of a mid-sized city, like Tulsa or Tuscon.
    That number does not include those who came to a port of entry and were denied- it's strictly the covert intruders; most of whom have reasons why they can't go to a port of entry. That could be criminal records, prior deportations, drugs- there are reasons why they are avoiding detection, and reasons why they should be intercepted.

    Of course- that 396K is the number actually caught, it does not count the number who successfully got in. The Border Patrol estimates the number that aren't caught to be more than twice the number intercepted. So while we turned back enough to equal the population of Tulsa- we allowed the equivalent of the population of Fort Worth Texas to get past us. That is happening right now, and 365 days a year. That is the problem you apparently can't wrap your mind around.

    Does it have to be a wall? No. It has to be something that WORKS. There are ways other than a wall, but humanitarian values make the wall the right choice.
    Saying everything is just ducky and all we need to do is shine up the gates..... is not a plan or solution, it's pure ignorance.
     
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    Speaking of ignorance. According to the border patrol most of those apprehended between entry points were leaving. It is a common practice to overstay visas. If they go back to their families for visits they can't leave via a port of entry because they'd never get another visa if they did because of overstays being logged. So a vanity wall will encourage illegals to stay longer and more will bring their families here. Good plan Einstein.
    Meanwhile without duct tape the Coast Guard wouldn't have any ships at sea.
     
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