Has Trump lost your vote or gained it?

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by bricklayer, Oct 26, 2019.

  1. markjs

    markjs Well-Known Member

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    You're clearly in need of relevant and factual arguments, instead of fantasy, political porn site fueled, conspiracy theory laden, nonsense taglines.:roll:
     
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    I voted against both Trump and Clinton in 2016. My disdain for both was ultra high. It was also for most Americans as 60% of all Americans held a negative/unfavorable view of Trump on election day, 56% of Hillary Clinton on the same day. Never before in our history has any major party presidential candidate been seen that negatively, never before has any had a negative or unfavorable view of any candidate above 50% until 2016. Barry Goldwater held the previous record high at 47% back in 1964.

    So 2016 was an election between two unwanted. As for 2020, I won't be voting for Trump. Now that doesn't automatically mean I'll be voting Democratic either. That depends on who they nominate. The Democrats have some candidates I could support, others I couldn't.

    For both Trump and Clinton supporters back in 2016, so you'll know how much America as a whole disliked both major party candidates. Here's the history of the favorable/unfavorable views of past presidential candidates.

    Highest to lowest favorable/unfavorable ratings of each major party presidential candidate.

    Favorable/unfavorable

    1956 Eisenhower 84/12%

    1964 LBJ 81/13%

    1976 Carter 81/16%

    1960 JFK 80/14%

    1960 Nixon 79/16%

    1968 Nixon 79/22%

    1976 Ford 79/20%

    1972 Nixon 76/21%

    1968 Humphrey 72/28%

    1984 Reagan 71/30%

    1980 Carter 68/32%

    1984 Mondale 66/34%

    1980 Reagan 64/31%

    1992 Bill Clinton 64/33%

    2008 Obama 62/35%

    2012 Obama 62/37%

    1956 Stevenson 61/31%

    2004 G.W. Bush 61/39%

    2008 McCain 60/35%

    1992 G.H.W. Bush 59/40%

    2000 G.W. Bush 58/38%

    2004 Kerry 57/40%

    1996 Bill Clinton 56/42%

    1988 G.H.W. Bush 56/39%

    2000 Gore 55/45%

    2012 Romney 55/43%

    1972 McGovern 55/41%

    1996 Dole 54/45%

    1988 Dukakis 50/45%

    1964 Goldwater 43/47%

    2016 Hillary Clinton 38/56%

    2016 Donald Trump 36/60%

    Is it any wonder that 9 million Americans went to the polls to vote against both Trump and Clinton by voting third party? What are the odds that the two most unwanted, the two most disliked, the two with the lowest favorable's would be matched up against each other in the same election?
     
  3. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The bar must have been set pretty low. The clown has caused a constitutional crisis, among hundreds of less serious ones. What did you think he was going to do? Detonate a nuclear device inside the US.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your first comment is hyperbolic. Your second comment is correct - but the same is true of the Trump Admin (sans the hyperbolic black vs white paradigm"

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    You are attributing what happened during the Bush Administration to Obama. Obama walked into the worse economic condition since the great depression .. he did not create it.

    Reaganomics was a fiscal disaster - and Trump is doubling down on Reaganomics which is creating an even worse disaster.

    Trump has done some good things - but not near what you attribute to him.
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    I wont go through your entire list - Obamacare was lipstick on a pig - Trump has not done anything to address the systemic issues within our healthcare system either.

    Trump's Foreign policy is a massive failure - forcing other nations to abide by Trumps unilateral sanctions on Iran - is damaging our short and long term economic security.

    "Law and Order" - Trump hates individual liberty and the founding principles ...favoring more Gov't/Police Power - so you are correct on "Law and Order".

    Better in what way ? I am sure if we looked hard enough one could find one way were are better - but there is a whole lot of ways in which we are worse.
     
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    The democrats childish reaction has become much worse, bordering on insanity. But not enough to make me vote for Trump. Will vote 3rd party unless Bernie is the nominee.
     
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    Same way I'm leaning, though if any third party puts up a candidate I can support, I may go that way again.

    The Democrats don't have a decent candidate, so their option is to try and taint and possible Republican or Third Party candidate they see as a threat...
     
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    Hillary Clinton just last week claimed that she won the 2016 election.

    And after about three years the Dems are still in denial and are still trying to undo the results..

    In reality, I can think of at least 25 very constructive reasons for voting for Trump in 2020.


    In comparison, why should I vote for any of the candidates that Hillary Clinton just described as being in a, "weak field ???"
     
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    I believe my vote will be cast for Trump.
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Seems to me that the issue of, "Constitutional Crisis," was supposed to have been fixed by the Mueller group, a totally partisan one sided team.

    Remember, "Mueller Time," which turned out to be more of a fraud than a serious investigation?


    What Barr and Durham are currently looking at amounts to more of a, "Constitutional Crisis," than anything that Mueller and his cronies ever selectively looked at.
     
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    No, I don't vote.

    No. I am never tricked by politics because I don't believe what politicians say.

    Obviously.
     
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    Still better than what any of the dems are suggesting. Also, what constitutional crisis? I keep hearing that claimed, and I haven't yet heard of the explanation of the specific constitutional crisis caused. Can't be much worse than Obama enacting an executive order on DACA after Congress specifically voted it down. That should have been considered a constitutional crisis--when the President creates a pseudo law because the legislative branch specifically rejects a law.
     
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    It is exceedingly rare for any cult followers to ever believe that their leader is guilty of any wrongdoing.

    However there is ample evidence that BOTH college educated women and rural farmers have changed their minds about your BLOTUS and no longer support him.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/08/i-wont-be-voting-for-the-president-again-says-ohio-farmer.html

    https://www.newsweek.com/trump-white-women-poll-electorate-2020-1455499

    Given your BLOTUS's tiny margin in 2016 that swung the EC losing these votes without gaining any others is going to be costly in 2020.
     
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    2 college girls and one farmer, therefore a VAST majority of farmers and college educated women will not vote for Trump in 2020

    this analysis brought to you by CNN and MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and PBS, the news agencies that were so accurate in their predictions for 2016 :roflol:
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    2018 demonstrated that the move by women away from your BLOTUS not only happened but cost the GOP the House.

    https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...term-vote-divisions-by-race-gender-education/

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    Your emotions come right through. You really have a way of making your side seem so appealing.
    Who wouldn't want to feel like you feel? I'll guess that you're just winning people over left and right with well reasoned arguments like the one you offer above. No sir ree bob, there's just no competing with a word smith like you, Derideo.
     
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    bricklayer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No one? Trump has lost no one? I expected someone to at least lie and claim that they voted for him and now will not. Go figure, not one lost vote.
     
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    I voted for Johnson in 2016, because the other two options cemented the idea that a viable third party was badly needed.

    I will vote for Trump in 2020, in hopes that he continues to be favorable to the economy, avoids injecting our son's into pointless wars, and is a general bull in the establishment swamp's china shop... all good things for our country.
     
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    Gained, so far I have 17 people in my life, friends family coworkers and fiance, that didn't vote for Trump in 2016 but plan on it in 2016.

    So far, I have not seen any new hatred for Trump, pretty much all the same people
     
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    Perfect example of what the Democratic Party and their media are doing.

    Don't answer the question, don't even bring up anything related to what is going on.

    Just bring in some emotional distraction to try to sway the conversation away from any meaningful dialogue.

    Thankfully I think so many people are sick of this, that it actually hurts the side that does it now.

    Even the comedians are just starting to laugh at the people who do it.

    People are sick of being told to hate
     
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    Disagree with your List of Trump improvements. We've heard a lot of air and Backslapping very Little Results.

    President Obama created the unprecedented turnaround in the economy that Trump enjoys.

    Job creation hasn't changed in quantity or direction until 2019 when Trumps Policies have slowed the World economy.

    Meanwhile Trump is running a Trillion $ Deficit in good a economy after passing a Huge Tax cut for the Rich

    Then creating a Huge Tax on Americans thru his idiotic Tariffs.
     
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    I voted libertarian in 2016, because their platform best aligns with my personal ideals.

    However, we cant afford (literally) a democrat in office, so this year I will jump to republican and vote for Trump.
     
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    Me too. That's exactly what I did, what I plan to do and why.
     
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    It’s bad enough to take a collar, but 0-7? At least I’m not hanging my head after this game.

    The Republican Party became irrelevant In my adventures at the polls nearly four decades ago. There are plenty of other candidates to ponder every cycle.
     
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    No point in my voting in the presidential election in 2020. There was no point in 2016. Arkansas is going to vote the same way Texas does and Texas will vote for Trump.
     

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