Biden was against the raid that got Bin Laden

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Why the recent raids that killed to two top ISIS leaders let's not forget the leadership Biden showed when it came to Bin Laden.

    Biden's 'no' on bin Laden raid could haunt him in 2016

    In May 2011, Vice President Joe Biden was in the White House Situation Room, joining President Barack Obama and his top national security officials for a crucial meeting. The question on the table: whether to order a dangerous Special Forces raid to take out Osama bin Laden.

    Intelligence experts believed they had located bin Laden in a Pakistan compound, but they weren’t certain, and the risks of failure were high. After most officials present urged Obama to go for it, the president turned to Biden: “Joe, what do you think?” he asked, according to an account Biden gave months later.

    “Mr. President, my suggestion is don’t go,” Biden said.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2015...-defense-hillary-clinton-2016-campaign-121779

    So we can speculate that these two ISIS leaders would still be alive since all reports are the raid was even more dangerous and risky.

    And let's not forget it was Biden who convince Obama to pull out the troops in Iraq.

    And he want's to be the Commander in Chief now?

     
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    Didn't we already know this? What did Julian Castro say?
     
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    Bin Laden wasn't an ISIS leader (al Qaeda was its most vocal religious opponent), there was a very real chance of repeating the Tehran Embassy rescue and the risk of civilian casualties was high. 'No' was a prudent vote and if the team had been lost or civilians had been killed (especially if Bin Laden escaped) you'd have spent the past few years ******** on Obama's incompetence.
     
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    So he was setting himself up for a Presidential run against the administration. That's a great strategy.
     
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    No one claimed he was an ISIS leader, ISIS came along after Biden convinced Obama to pull out our troops. The raid was a rousing success and Bin Laden was killed had Obama listened to Biden that wouldn't have happened. The prudent and correct plan was to execute it.
     
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    Was it prudent to send in the Seals to rescue hostages in Tehran? Everyone on the team died and the hostages weren't rescued. (To be clear, I'm talking about Carter's order to rescue the hostages at our embassy.)

    What if an entire neighborhood went up because the Seals set off a boobie trap bomb killing thousends?

    What if the Team went in, killed a few civilians, lost a few men and Bin Laden got away? Clinton ordered a failed hit on Bin Laden and the USS Cole happened in retaliation.

    There were all sorts of reasons that mission could go wrong, being the token no vote so those concerns were on record as having been considered was prudent.
     
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    This isn't about Teheran this isn't about what if's this is about what happened and the decisions made. Biden made the wrong one. Had Obama listened to him Bin Laden might still be alive today. Presidents have to make tough calls, Biden can't.
     
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    Oh crap.. "The risks for failure were high"... This is serious stuff and any prudent person would weigh the risks. That's why Obama looked so frightened and Trump acted like a pompous ass. CARING about America and Americans is a weighty task.
     
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    Civilian presence was never a problem for Obama and his drones prior to that raid. Coulda just dropped a bomb
     
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    Are you claiming you can read Obama's mind? Is THAT how you make decisions?
     
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    Um, no. lol.

    I'm saying (not claiming) that Obama droned plenty of terrorists with ZERO respect for civilian casualties prior to that.

    What stopped him this time?
     
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    And that has never happened before with any US president? You are very transparent.
     
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    There's Jund al-Khilafah-Tunisia (JAK-T), ISIS-Somalia, ISIS Philippines (Maute Group is an affiliate), ISIS Egypt, ISIS Bangladesh, Boko Haram (West Africa), Al Queda, and likely some others as yet unknown at this point.

    There may be operational differences among these terrorists in their various strongholds but they are united in there goal which is Dar-al-Islam quickly by any and all means. They are one.

    They are never going away. The exterminator will have to be called again and again. The fact that bin Laden was not formally an ISIS member really makes little difference except at the Ministry of Information and the Ministry of Truth at the MSM. The Islamic terrorists are one.
     
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    There was only one President when Bin Laden was killed.

    I asked a very easy question. Why are you dodging it like it's offending you?

    Why not just drone the house like Obama droned so many? He never cared about civilians before.

    Odd that all of the sudden it was an issue.
     
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    They really wanted the intelligence information as much as they did Bin Laden. A bomb would have destroyed all of that.
     
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    We gave away MUCH more intelligence than we gained. We left behind our stealth chopper that the Pakistani's sold parts to for the highest bidder...

    Yea...great job.
     
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    An article from over 4 Years Ago?:roflol:

    Yup, Biden is Toast.

    Just like it says (the Entire PREMISE of the article)...

    ...This is really going to "haunt him" in 2016. :bored:
     
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    Obama did not want yes men all around him, he liked many points of views and took them all into account and then decided, the sign of a good leader

    the truth is, both Obama and Trump had a hard decision to make when putting our military in harms way to get these men, thankfully both missions were successful and well executed
     
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    What would you expect from Obama's butt buddy.
     
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    Is he running now? Is he asking to be the leader of the country? Yes to both and his past history is of current concern as he ask to be the Commander in Chief. Had his counsel be followed Bin Laden could well be alive as with the two ISIS leaders because he lacks the leadership and fortitude to be the Commander in Chief.
     
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    OH GEEZ what a lame argument. Thankfully his advice was not followed her and unfortunately it was when he got Obama to withdraw from Iraq and we saw that disaster which required we send troops back in.

    So let's not put him back into a position to make those erroneous decisions again.
     
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    They had to confirm he was there, a simple bomb was ruled out early on.
     
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    And so what no one claimed he was an ISIS leader and had Obama listened to Biden he would mostly be alive today unless Trump ordered the raid.
     
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    Bush set the timeline for the withdrawal from Iraq, we never should have went into Iraq

    it was like grabbing a wild dog by the tail, when you let go... your probably gonna get bit

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_U.S._troops_from_Iraq

    "The Bush Administration later sought an agreement with the Iraqi government, and in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory""


    per that agreement we had to leave and the government in Iraq did not want to extend it
     
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    I'm just saying ISIS or not ISIS really isn't relevant. An Islamic terrorist is an Islamic terrorist is an Islamic terrorist. They are united.
     

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