White House official corroborates diplomat’s account that Trump appeared to seek quid pro quo

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  1. Esperance

    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The outline of the Steele dossier was composed in 2007.

    "Simpson simply took an article he wrote in 2007 and swapped out some names like a recycled Hollywood movie script. Some of the same names even appear such as Manafort."
    And the Russian hotel aspect and Prague illusion were provided by Russians who were stationed at their compound in Maryland according to Bruce Ohr.
     
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    If you have quotes, you must have a link... or is it PrisonPlanet or PJMedia?
     
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    I’d say that it’s at least 5-1 against the Senate removing Trump at this point. However, if Trump and that imbecile Guiliani keep up with the crazy unhinged blabbering, they could finally break the GOP Senate down to the point where 20 jump ship. It’ll be fun to watch either way. What a bunch of buffoons.
     
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    LOL! Sure, that is what liar Adam Schiff said bjt no one knows what the actual witness said.

    What next? I don’t know Charlie Brown. Here kick this football...
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    The leaks remind me of your cartoon. The righties say they aren't true and then BOOM! the transcript comes out.
    Who's up tomorrow? Anyone good?
    Todays question:
    Where's Rudy?
     
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    As to crimes, that was his opinion. Others have a different opinion.
    His testimony did mention Hunter Biden.
     
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    If there is corruption by Americans in a foreign country it should be investigated. And often is, by the DOJ under the FCPA. Why hasn’t this been investigated?

    Answer: because there was no corruption to investigate.
     
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    From what I have read, they were not 'key factual inaccuracies' as you assert. On all substantive issues, Morrison backed up what Tayor has said.
     
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    It doesn't help you to say things that are demonstrably untrue.

    Biden did "withhold aid for investigating [his] son's company". Many western governments were pressuring Ukraine to START investigating corruption. The American position was the same - to remove a prosecutor that FAILED to investigate corruption. Biden may have been the point-man on that effort but it was not his policy.

    I don't know if you are knowingly spreading lies, or if you are a victim of the lies that have been spread in the RW fever swamp.
     
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    Vindman never "worked" for Ukraine, Russia, or any other country other than the USA.

    this is nothing but an anti-semitic slur of dual loyalty.

    Jews have been accused of dual loyalty and being double-agents, for generations.

    looks like Conservatives are resurrecting that old hateful trope.

    :(
     
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    He consulted Ukrainian authorities while being an NSC/Military officer. That's according to the NYT.

    Gross violation of FARA and god knows how many military regulations.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    he did exactly what was required of his job.

    he never advocated for Ukrainian, Russian or any interests other than the USA.

    dual-loyalty is a hateful old anti-semitic slur.

    i hope Conservatives stop this now
     
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    Dual loyalty with Ukraine is not an antisemitic slur lol

    FARA absolutely applies to him, he consults Ukraine's government on political matters and advocates Ukraine's interests in the US, as recently as in his testimony in fact.
     
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    accusing Jews of having dual loyalty, is a classic anti-semitic slur.

    really sad that Conservatives are going this low.

    Vindman is a loyal American patriot
     
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    That was his opinion because he knew at the time of the call that the Ukraine had already re-opened their investigation on the Bidens and Burisma.
    The Ukraine president felt no pressure because it was already happening.

    Sadly, Taylor and Vindman have been used like sock puppets by Schiff.

    Morrison testified that Vindman went outside of the chain of command.
    If Vindman is lucky, he will only lose his security clearance. But Schiff had better hope that the Army JAG doesn't inquire as to who Vindman talked with and when.
     
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    Mr. Ohr said, moreover, that he delivered this information before the FBI’s first application to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court for a warrant against Trump aide Carter Page, in October 2016.
    Yet the FBI made no mention of this warning in the application, instead characterizing Mr. Steele as a “reliable” source.


    https://www.wsj.com/articles/what-bruce-ohr-told-congress-1535668660
     
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    That's not what Morrison said.

    More fake news.
     
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    It is being investigated, and the President asked the Ukrainian President to work with the DOJ on it. You all think it's impeachable for some reason though
     
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    Kind of contradicts the actual transcript that we've all seen, doesn't it?

    Yeah right, I bet.

    The use of the word "appears" is relevant. How something "appears" to one person may not be the same as how it "appears" to the next person. Facts have to be used to get the truth. Not "appears" and not second guessing what someone believes the person in question meant.
     
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    Really? That's the first I've heard that an investigation has been opened in the Ukraine into the Bidens and Burisma. Got any reliable source for that?
     
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    Really? I have not seen ANYTHING suggesting that the Bidens are under investigation in USA for anything that might have happened in Ukraine. Got a link from a reliable source?
     
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    The Ukrainians gave the DOJ material related to Hunter's fin....potential tax issues
     
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    Says the same people who told us "Trump colluded with Putin".

    Clearly Hunter Biden working for Burisma was corrupt, as there is no valid way he could have gotten the job in Ukraine.

    So, according to you, it's valid for Biden to "investigate corruption", but for Donald Trump it's an impeachable offense.
     
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    Answer: because the Obama administration didn't care.

    We already know Hillary Clinton was obtaining help in the Ukraine. We know that parts of the fake Russian dossier went through Ukraine. We know that Hunter Biden had no qualifications for his position in Burisma.

    Why should things that happened in the Ukraine during the 2016 election, and by members of the Obama administration and their involvement, NOT be investigated.

    Why are democrats using such a lame reason to attempt impeachment?

    Answer: The fabrication of the manufactured, fake Russia "collusion" narrative leads back to Obama.
     
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    Link showing what you asserted: that the Bidens are under investigation in the US.

    Provide the link.
     

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