If left-leaning Americans aren't Nationalists...what are they?

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  1. US Conservative

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    I have found its quite difficult to get leftists to admit to American exceptionalism, or even just love of country.

    I do see lots of pro socialist sentiment and after Trump's 2016 victory-I noticed many leftsts started using the term "White Nationalist", even using that term to describe people who were clearly not white. Burning American flags seems ubiquitous at their gatherings.

    So-if "American" leftists aren't Nationalist-what are they?

    Internationalists?

    Populist socialists?

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    Depends.

    The ones who think nationalism is necessarily ethnocentric and hate the concept on that basis are just ignorant.

    The ones who oppose civic nationalism are necessarily globalists.
     
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    [​IMG] George Washington is plumper as a Confederate! Hmmm! Looks happy, oh! Who's heritage is this place though?! Time to leave! George Washington is equal with every nation. He assumes al the equal rights of nations. So … First you be Nation, then you Uber-Nation.
     
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    They are flat earth globalists :smile:
     
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    Their citizenship and this nation mean nothing to them, except for when it does. Patriotism isn't an actual thing for them. It matters only when it can be used for personal gain or as an element of emotional manipulation (like Pelosi saying our democracry is at stake, if Democrats aren't allowed to railroad Trump).

    How many threatened to leave, or investigated foreign citizenship after Trump's election? How many of them actually left? How many of them love the fruits of our capitalistic society while railing against it?

    You must accept globalism by default if you're a progressive, otherwise you must be a 'phobe' or 'ist' of some sort. You must embrace the "virtue" of "fair" society where the haves must sustain the have nots... unless of course you can move or shuffle around some assets so that you and yours do not become have nots... after all the hard work you and your ancestors put forth to avoid the conditions which were historically created by the same type of system you're virtue signalling support for.

    Progressivism/statism/communism/socialism must be obliterated.
     
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    How come nobody out here seems to pay attention enough to accept the actual definitions of these things. The question is after you have a Pro-US mob fervor, what is your end goal? We are way past the security of our country, to call that a goal. The only definition of Nationalist for the previous 50 and next 50 years, and the only definition, is the view that the Nation of America is superior to other Nations in Nationalism, like the Nationalism of World War 1's founding which cause non-equal feeling countries to invade each other and destroy the balance of Europe. In fact, all students are lucky to have an international education consisting of England, Liberia, France/Mexico, pretty much.
     
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    It's simply to put one's nation's interest above any other nation, or any other group of nations. That has nothing to do with with "the view that the Nation of America is superior to other Nations." That doesn't even make sense let alone translate into public policy.
     
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    "Nationalism" is different from patriotism in that it is typically extremely myopic and introduces zero-sum assumptions, ignoring the existence of win-wins. Lots of xenophobia and paranoia, little logic.
     
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    Opposing White Nationalism does not equate to "hating" one's country. It's just opposing some of the dick-heads who claim that "nationalism" isn't really about xenophobia.

    A person does not "hate" their child because they think it can do better. A person does not "hate" their country because they think it can do better. Ain't rocket science, dude.
     
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    The next time we have a Dem President they'll suddenly have this revelation . . . along with changing their tune on Executive power.
     
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    I don't know but they're certainly not real Americans. Real Americans put America first above all else. Leftist seem to think America is some sort of hospitality center where all of the wreckage and dregs of the world can come and be limitlessly accommodated at the taxpayers expense. Our welcome mat is worn from the millions who have come here and have prospered because they have wanted to become Americans and were willing to work for it. The left doesn't see anything exceptional about that, they prefer to let anyone in no questions asked, to step right up to the free all you can eat buffet. Their ultimate goal is to wrest the power from the white establishment and turn America into some sort of third world **** hole.That would be an America they would consider exceptional, they'd love it then.
     
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    They are patriots.

    Nationalism is for Hitler.
     
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    Well, look at the famous nationalists of the past 100 years.
     
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    If left-leaning Americans aren't Nationalists...what are they?

    Since my earlier comment was removed by a mod and I was duly chastised let me say that these fine examples of American loving patriots are proof that brother and sisters should not marry.
     
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    If left-leaning Americans aren't Nationalists...what are they?

    The majority of Americans who consistently oppose trumpery are patriots.

    The history of self-proclaimed "Nationalists" speaks for itself.
     
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    It might be that you're requirement for the meaning of exceptionalism is questionable. The big problem is really that we use these "-isms" like they have specific and unquestionable meanings when it seems more like they have many meanings.
    For me, the nationalist label has much to do with exception--it suggests anti-diversity and a hint of supremacy. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't equate that with a love of country. As far as burning flags, I see that as my right protected by the Constitution and anyone insisting it's wrong for me to burn that symbol is hinting that I shouldn't have that right. I don't equate that with patriotism. Insisting that I join this team that thinks it's unpatriotic to not follow the teams prescribed rules of patriotism is not what I see as patriotic. I do not love that country that tells me I must not be different, that I must love what I'm told to love. There is no room for independence in that nationalist label.
     

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