I truly do fear for our country, just as an American

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  1. hampton86

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    Not hard to find whackjob articles about whackjob conspiracies
     
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    Deep State is a Trump delusion. He LOVES conspiracy theories.
     
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    The CIA knows Trump is insane.

    Just remember that the Washington Examiner is a tabloid.

    Former CIA acting Director John McLaughlin expressed his gratitude for the "deep state" and their effort to get President Trump impeached.


    McLaughlin, who was the acting director in 2004, embraced the idea of a "deep state" with the intent of ending the Trump presidency at an event on Wednesday hosted by the Hayden Center.
     
  7. Kal'Stang

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    Just a note here: Ford never took advantage of the government bail out.

    LINK: Rejecting bailout wins political capital for Ford
     
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    I watched the video. He said it.
     
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    Oh, the evil laugh, it suits you. Nope, I watched the video I take him for his word. Perhaps Barr will expose some of these seditionists and coup plotters.
     
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    You know, I have distrusted both major parties for, say the last 30 years. I seen both parties use what you deem the divide and conquer strategy when it comes to elections and campaigns. Pitting groups of voters against other groups of voters. Our campaigns from both sides have developed into negative personal attacks, mud slinging, distortions of facts or outright lies and fabrication. I suppose the whole idea is to get the voter to hate the other guy more than they hate you. Substance, new ideas, possible solutions to our problems, a vision where the candidates want to take this country has vanished. Now it is pure mud slinging.

    Sure, those in one party will always think their party doesn't use the divide and conquer strategy along with the rest. That's the partisan effect of wearing those red or blue deep colored glasses. Now to join that distrust of both major parties, with the selection of Trump and Hillary Clinton by those same major parties in 2016. I've come to the conclusion that both have lost all sanity.

    It seems to me those of the two major party faithful now put their party way above country. I know that is a cliche. But one I think true. We've seen the growth of the party line vote in both houses over the last 30 years where it had been a very rare instance before to become the norm. To be expected. Also what is expected is the Republicans to oppose any Democratic proposal, the Democrats to oppose any Republican proposal. The opposition is not based on the merits of the proposal, but who proposed it.

    I don't think one can blame the division in this country on Trump alone. Although he certainly has help that along. It's both parties that are causing our division, especially when the R and or the D replaces the big A, America.
     
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    What is your view on hate speech?
     
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    Biden has demanded that the media stop having Giuliani on their programs..

    That is communism and something that China does with regularity. Yeah, its not an official proposal, but it is something that he has done that is like China's communism, and Presidents often do things that they never campaigned on. Will he do such as President? Don't know. Can't tell the future. But it does give a look into his mindset.
     
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    He is a poor leader with poor management skills..He's a brat and brow beater, a fat pig while calling others the same. His followers have the unmitigated gaul to think they are something special past their special education diplomas...But t least he got the border to stop leaking border crashers..
     
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    Biden demanding the media stop interviewing Giuliani is communistic in what way?
    Trump has demanded items from the media also so he is communistic also?
     
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    Not touching this one as I've never actually looked into it.

    False. He actually did. In the SAME speech were he said "many fine people". This is an example of the media constantly lying and is WHY Trump has so often called them "fake news".

    LINK: Read the complete transcript of President Trump’s remarks at Trump Tower on Charlottesville

    Here's the funny thing about that...whether it was a "good call" or a "QPQ call" has been entirely subjective with the exception of two instances. Each person that has testified on it so far, from what we have seen, has given nothing more than opinions. They haven't actually given any proof. Those two instances that I talked about...One was from the President of Ukraine himself who said that there was no QPQ. The other was from the texts released by Cummings that show that Trump stated that there was no QPQ. Everything else that has come out on the subject has been subjective. Which means that people are going to view it from a personal perspective and it will either be bad if they hate Trump, or good if they like Trump.

    Now, Trump may lie, but I have no reason to think that Ukraine's President would lie. In fact I would tend to believe that he wouldn't considering he ran on ending corruption and, like Trump, is not a career politician.

    Well, at least you didn't try and use WAPO's numbers. Much of which is highly opinionated. Didn't know the NYTimes was keeping their own list. I'd like to look at it but they are generally locked behind a paywall.
     
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    as compared to what/who? Are you blind to Clintons criminal behaviour.. rapist - killer - fraud - thief - liar. Psycho slimeball. Donald Trump is the best president the USA ever had. 2020 M>A>G>A.....
     
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    The 'war on Christmas' syndrome...
     
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    Balto asked for "even one" of the Democratic candidates proposals that is like what China does, which he admitted is communist. China regularly tells their own media what they can and cannot do. I gave an example of one of them already having done exactly what China does. If you can't see the connection then I don't know what to tell ya.

    What exactly has he demanded from the media? That they tell the news truthfully? Oooo scary!!!
     
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    Hitler did. Just a historical point, nothing more.
     
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    Biden is not the govt. nor is he in an position of govt.
    The news is the news never has it had to tell the truth, there is no law but if one is lied about there are remedies to protect one's character..Biden is a citizen and ask for people to stop and hardly did the media stop having Giuliani..If it was communism the state would own the media and Giuliani would not be on any media he'd be pushing up daisies..
     
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    Wrong decade try to come into the present and get away from the 1990's...
     
  22. Kal'Stang

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    Did something get lost when you translated what was said into your first language? No where has anyone stated that Biden is the government. He IS running for President however and that is exactly what Balto asked for.

    Since the rest of your post is based on that I'm going to ignore what you said after your first line.
     
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    Russia now Ukraine, when that half baked plot collapses who knows what damn ridiculous claptrap the increasing desperate fraidy cats will try next.
     
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    Nah...Wrong...He came to power in 1933.Germany was still superpower in 1941.
     
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    This is so incorrect it's not even wrong. It is the Democrats and the left that have been consciously, openly and hell bent on destroying our republic, Constitution, and country since 2008 when Obama announced the goal was "fundamental transformation of the United States." They have been fighting the 1st, 2nd and 5th amendment ever since. They are now vociferously fighting the separation of powers and the constitutional election of the president and, among other things, to destroy the electoral college. They have been destroying our institutions and weakening our military and economy. They are fighting for essentially open borders. They are fighting proper voting laws. Trump attacking the media does nothing to the 1st amendment, but Obama wanting federal agents in every editorial room of print and media journalism certainly would have.

    You need to get a grip and open your eyes just a bit.
     
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