Donald Trump threatens to pull California fire aid in Twitter spat with state's Governor

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  1. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    Congrats on one of the most ridiculous posts. As if a republican were in charge, mother nature would not have an effect on the climate and vegetation.
     
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    Wait a minute, where are the leftie California resident posters here who like to tell us how wealthy California is and how they don't need federal funds and blah blah blah?? If California is so rich, why do they want federal funds anyhow?

    As an aside, I don't really have a problem with the federal government putting "conditions" on federal aid, although they should be clear and established beforehand.
     
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    Yours was way worst... If you don't know the difference between a tornado and a human caused forest fire, there's no hope for you.
    You can't control the winds, but you sure as hell can manage your forested area and take precaution to limit the impact of forest fire on human settlements.
    California made a piss poor job at the later.
     
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    Most of this land in California that is burning is Federal Land. In fact, I think the number that I remember is that over 90% of the land in California is Federal Land.
     
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    Its Federal land NOT State land.
     
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    So now it was a human created incident, have proof ?
     
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    Powerlines are made by humans and the high fire danger is created by Democrat policies.
     
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    Then Democrats in Congress should pass a bill to come to California and cut down every dead tree and control burn all of the federal forest. Why won't congress act? Must be to busy chasing trump to worry about forest management.
     
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    Trump doesn't know.. They probably don't know either.. Aging electrical infrastructure seems to be a serious problem related to global warming... But of course that's for kooks.

    "Fire in Paradise": One Year After California’s Deadliest ...
    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/announcement/fire-in-paradise-one-year-after...
    Fire in Paradise is a FRONTLINE Production with Brook Lapping Productions in association with BBC. The producer and director is Jane McMullen. The producer and director is Jane McMullen.
     
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    Your comment is based in total ignorance!

    When winds are at 50-90mph, many of them prolonged, with higher gusts, with homes and businesses spread across these areas, please explain how YOU would do a so-called 'control burn'??
     
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    Powerlines incident. Powerlines are man made so...
     
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    The fires are a real tragedy. But informed people understand why they’re happening and it’s NOT due to climate change. It’s due to policy change. CA policy has made it easier for wildfires to spread while at the same time trying to blame it on the climate and ultimately Republicans. The people living there have brought this on themselves. Trying to blame
    Trump or people that have had almost zero control over that state In decades aren't to blame.

    And I don’t feel all THAT bad when a mansion burns down. It sucks, but those people have insurance and will recover just fine. Poor people who lose a home and have nothing afterwards are in far worse situations.

    A vineyard burning down is terrible. The 3rd home of a multi millionaire is not that terrible.
     
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    ROFL, you don't do the controlled burns now, you do them ahead of time (during more appropriate weather) as a preventative measure. Unless you're trying to save the beetles or whatever....
     
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    I bet you say that to all the wildfires in the US...Why are the feds not raking the forest areas they manage in California?
     
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    Not to mention most of these fires aren’t caused naturally. They’re human error. Campfires gone wrong or power lines sparking around trees because CA refuses to trim them.
     
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    Do you really want the Feds to take actual possession of big part of the state?
    Declaring an area a federal park for conservation doesn't remove the duty of the state to take care of it. It just means that they have to ask the feds for permission to alter, exploit and develop that region.
     
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    Federal land is land managed by the federal govt. and unless the feds pay the state the state has no authority to take over authority and management.
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    This isn't an absolute.
    If california has money to spend on illegals, it has money to contribute to safekeeping it's forested area.
    Of course, you could also advocate for the feds to sell those area to private entities. I bet they'd take better care of it.
     
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    Squirm as you may the fact remains that the feds do nothing for fire management either.
     
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    There are homes and businesses and roads and power lines everywhere today! The ONLY reason these fires have been so bad is the extreme high wind conditions. Fires in northern and southern CA are not in remote forests...if they were no one would be talking about them!
     
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    No need to squirm, be I take note that you're in favor of california spending more on illegals instead of taking care of forests inside of their borders.
     
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    Could you be any more obtuse :)
     
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    More reason to take preventive mesure then.
     
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    Well what proof do you have. Power lines are everywhere in all states, so what happened.
     
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