Republicans call for transparency in impeachment inquiry

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  1. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Well...Capt Nice is correct and you can confirm this by doing some research and reading; 37-40 Republicans have been involved in every committee with equal rights as the Democrats. In fact, many of the childish Republicans who protested in the inquiry room for transparency, are the exact Republicans involved in the inquiry meetings!

    If everyone is going to pound their chests and squabble about procedure why can't this be done by reading and learning and debating FACTS?
     
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    The old fallacious argument that if you have nothing to hide you should have no problem government law enforcement breaking down your door at any time they want just to come in a look around and toss all your belongings in their search, and force you to answer endless questions. That is the justification used by police states.
     
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    Man, you have hearsay and opinion coming out the yingyang.
     
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    My defense???? I'm merely asking for the quotes that you and Golem, et al say are all over the place. Not inferred quotes, but real honest to God literal quotes.
     
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    From the just released McKinley testimony transcript

    After the summary became public on September 25, McKinley said he was troubled by Mr. Trump's comments "impugning" Yovanovitch, who he called "a serious, committed colleague." He said the president's comments "raised alarm bells for me."

    McKinley told lawmakers the call summary clarified a couple of things for him. He said that "State Department officials, if not the State Department itself, were being drawn into the domestic political arena in some way." And he also told the committees it was clear that both special envoy Kurt Volker and U.S. Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland "were engaging the Ukrainian Government in conjunction with Rudy Giuliani on domestic political issues."
     
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    Is there some problem anywhere in any of that???? Other than your dislike I mean.
     
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    In that case, you should be happy to provide your link to the rule that empowers Schiff to approve Republican leaks.

    I look forward to your clarification.
     
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    Let me help you. Imagine if Hillary's personal attorney was involved in an extra-diplomatic, illegal scheme to extort Zelensky by using a meeting with her, and military aid (aid appropriated to help an ally fend off Russia), as leverage to get Zelensky to say he was investigating someone Hillary thought she might be running against in the next election. All at Hillary's direction for her personal, political benefit.
     
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    from pages 4 and 5 from the House Resolution:
    The ranking minority member of the Permanent Select Committee is authorized, with the concurrence of the chair, to require, as deemed necessary to the investigation— ....... (II) the production of books, records, correspondence, memoranda, papers, and documents; and (ii) by interrogatory, the furnishing of information.

    The chair is authorized to make publicly available in electronic form the transcripts of depositions conducted by the Permanent Select Committee.....
     
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    I kinda picture you as Charles Manson's attorney demanding "Provide me the exact quote of Manson telling his followers to go out and kill Sharon Tate!". It's not quite how reality works. In reality, judgement will be for a combination of quotes and actions. However here is one of the quotes that will seal Trump's fate in the mind of the electorate:

    ‘I would like you to do us a favor though’
     
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    I thought you were claiming that extra diplomatic operations were wrong. I don't know about your fantasies.

    Though your example gets close to the DNC's and Hillary's solicitation of Ukraine to get dirt on Manafort in 2016.
     
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    That does not address your claim that Republicans and Democrats serving on the committees in the closed door phase of the inquiry were required to obtain permission from the Chair that authorizes them to leak.

    Fox's Trump bum kisser Brit Hume whined about Democrats leaking, but did not try to point to a fake rule: "Republicans seem afraid of something like that, yet the Democrats are leaking like mad and it is working."
     
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    Alexandra Chalupa met with Ukrainian ambassador Valeriy Chaly and one of his aides, Oksara Shulyar, at the Ukrainian Embassy in March 2016 to talk about unearthing Paul Manafort’s Russian connections. That was before Trump hired Manafort as his campaign chairman at the end of that month.

    DNC officials did encourage Alexandra Chalupa to ask for a meeting with Ukranian President Petro Poroshenko to gather more information about Manafort, a meeting that never happened.

    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/07/did-the-clinton-campaign-collude-with-ukraine.html

    If you wish to initiate a thread concerning Manafort to vindicate him, you can do so, of course.
     
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    No, your validating the Democrats soliciting a foreign country to aid their 2016 campaign is good enough for me.
     
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    What the hell are you talking about? Are you are suggesting that Trump is concerned about some "government law enforcement" authority breaking down the door of the White House?

    Why don't you quit while you are behind? You are backing a loser and you know it.
     
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    This post was overlooked in all the clutter. It's important.

    An emerging defense of Trump by Trump Republicans is they will admit the obvious, but they are being coy about it. Some are saying that, yes, it is true, Trump did ask the Ukrainian President to investigate the Bidens, but that is not an impeachable offense.

    That is like saying, yes, it is true, my friend did withdraw money from the bank, omitting the fact that the man's friend robbed the bank.

    Similarly, Trump Republicans will not say that, in the wake of the 2016 election, Russian interference in our election on behalf of Trump, and the Mueller Report, that Trump requested foreign interference in our Presidential election on his behalf.

    Nor will they admit that Trump's own chief of staff told a television audience that Trump used quid pro quo to get what he wanted. That amounts to bribery, an impeachable offense in its own right.


    Trump Republicans may try to get this by American voters, but, when the impeachment inquiry goes public, Americans will learn the truth. Following the 2016 election and foreign interference in that election, it is extremely doubtful Americans will accept that as business as usual in 2020.

    There is no wonder why Trump will not allow his people to testify to all this. Thus, his obstruction of Congress and the game of delay. It is the only thing he can do.
     
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    This is nonsense...no one is 'breaking down your door' or 'any time they want' or 'just to look around' or 'toss all your belongings' or 'force you to answer endless questions'?? They are sitting in their dress attire, in climate controlled rooms, all the food and water they desire, with both Dems and Reps asking them questions. The ONLY stressful aspect to these proceedings is whether or not people are telling the truth...
     
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    How many times must I remind you, denying reality is the old defense. The new defense is.......he did it.........but we don't care. Kinda explains the minions approach to all of Don's idiocy and illegality.
     
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    That does not address leaks. It you actually believe that Democrats had to obtain permission from the Chair to leak information obtained in the private depositions, and that Republicans had to make identical requests but were denied, you're being very, very silly. You cannot come up with a single instance of that having happened.
     
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    Ooops, didn't happen.

    Next.
     
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    Your fake claim fails. As noted, Manafort's proven corruption was brought to the attention of Ukrainian authorities before the sleaze bag was appointed Trump's campaign chairman, and the crimes for which he is serving time do not relate to his complicity in Trumpery, but, again, if you need to try to vindicate Manafort, you can initiate a thread to address your interest.
     
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    The public part of the impeachment inquiry begins. Today the House released full transcripts from the depositions of former Ukraine ambassador Marie Yovanovitch and former top State Department aide Michael McKinley, who recently resigned in protest.

    A questioner asked McKinley whether it was fair to say he resigned in part because he couldn’t be blind to using the State Department to dig up dirt on a political opponent.

    “That is fair,” he said, adding: “And if I can underscore, in 37 years in the Foreign Service and different parts of the globe and working on many controversial issues, I had never seen that.”

    There wasn't much in the two depositions of minor figures in all this, but it was clear in both that Pompeo is more interested in protecting Trump than engaging in his state department business, part of which is supporting the people in the state department like Yovanovitch and McKinley.
     
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    That is virtually precisely what congress is doing.
     
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    Oh, my bad. I guess the Republicans do have the same right of surreptitious, scurrilous and totally improper leaks as the Democrats do. They probably can lie to the press and the public without the chair's permission as the Democrats do, also.
     

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