Donald Trump threatens to pull California fire aid in Twitter spat with state's Governor

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  1. JET3534

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    Sure. If California wants aid they should do what the people providing the aid want. It's like when joe Biden withheld aid from Ukrainian and was going to throw the country to the wolves unless they fired 1 particular prosecutor.
     
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    Yes, it seems like they can't control the forests or the grass. Or city sidewalks for that matter.
     
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    Apparently it's the only state effected by "climate change" too, or the whole country would be on fire, by leftie logic....
     
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    What do you suggest as a workable preventative measure?
     
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    Ill agree that FedGov has an obligation to manage Federal Land. However, it was recently passed (in the last decade) that Federal Land is still subject to the laws of the state in which it resides (largely as a result of CCW lawsuits against Nat. Parks not recognizing state gun laws).

    If it turns out that FedGov cant effectively mitigate firefuel conditions due to CAs rediculous environmental policies (which is my suspicion), then thats on CA.

    As far as Federal Aid for the rest of the state goes, CA has abominable firefuel mitigation practices. The bulk of the state is an unkempt tinderbox due to its environmental policies. We could waste trillions trying to fight fires there where millions in mitigation would have prevented it. At a certain point, we can't afford not to 'abandon' them.

    IMO, they need to just secede already.
     
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    Donald Trump threatens to pull California fire aid in Twitter spat with state's Governor
    This is just a new example of how Trump governs overall. He's incapable of separating his job from his personal ego. Everything he does & every decision he makes, is geared toward how it affects him personally. He has a long record of going after anyone who opposes him--including every candidate who speaks openly against him, or disagrees with him on any topic. He has undercut & circumvented the entire State Dept, fired or removed professional foreign service personnel, with perfect records for their years of service to the nation, for the mere fact that they might question his actions & how they might affect foreign policy. No good can come from a President who is incapable of working for the benefit of the nation. Trump certainly can't. He's too rapped up into his own ego, & everything he does, & every decision he makes, is made from how it will affect him personally rather than how it might help or harm the nation as a whole. He's incapable of serving this nation. He can only serve himself. Why his supporters are so oblivious to this ineptitude is beyond understanding. That blind obedience and obsequious loyalty to Trump, regardless of what he does, is rapidly becoming a new security threat to the nation. We need citizens who both care & are willing to stand up to Trump's narcissistic rule. America has never stood for such self-serving behaviors in its leaders, & MUST not do so now.
     
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    It applies everywhere!
    I work for the damn company, I know how to manage vegetation to reduce the risk of forest fire due to electrical powerline. Residential landlord also have to keep the lines clear or we'll do it for them and send them the bill!

    The truth is that your electrical grid maintenance record is abysmal, and that is even more true in your richest state. It shouldn't be. You have too many players aiming for the lowest cost in an area where safety and reliability is primordial. Here we nationalized the electricity business in such a way that profits are secondary to quality of service. We are managed like a private business with only one investor, the government. The money the government collect is what is left after all the maintenance and future project allocation have been set. We are now selling our surplus to the north eastern states of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire and soon NY.

    Not bad at all...
     
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    About 45% of land in CA is federal. How many houses and businesses that are burning up are on federal land?
     
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    Do you have a list of random excuses you post regardless of what you are supposed to be responding to?
     
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    You mean the guy that dropped the lawsuit against the company his son worked for?
     
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    More nonsense...do you know or care that about 85% of all wildland fires are started by humans?

    You have no clue to how much time and money is required to mitigate every potential power line issue? There are trees and power lines everywhere! We can guess that a majority of the PEOPLE will refuse to pay higher taxes and utility prices in order to do better!

    Making PGE and other power companies the scapegoat is misguided. City, county and state governments all have a responsibility. And, PEOPLE have the primary responsibility to manage their governments and themselves...
     
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    I really can't wait until Trump is removed from office.
     
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    There are sort of two issues at play here ---- how fires are started and how fires are spread. Mismanagement in California allows these fires to spread like crazy. If forests and power lines were better managed and maintained, then even if a fire started it could be put out much more easily and quickly. (And if the power lines and surrounding areas were better managed and maintained these fires might be less likely to start in the first place.)

    "There are trees and power lines everywhere"??

    There are "trees and power lines everywhere" all over the country, and yet this problem seems to be unique to California.

    Plus, we have board members here from California who love to tell us how rich California is. Surely they could "afford" to fix this problem if they wanted to......?

    Yes, the idiot leftie progressives in California vote for useless government officials who would rather save a beetle than control burn a forest, and who think it's better to spend money on "green energy" than on power line maintenance/repair. So yes, in some ways you are correct and California is getting what they deserve. The problem is that not everyone in California is a card-carrying progessive fruitcake and not all Californians voted to support this crap.
     
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    Of course I have a clue, I work for the damn Hydro company!

    You're the one that is out of his league.
     
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    The SOTC (Socialist Oligarchy of the Territory of California) needs to manage their forests better. Letting brush pile up like that creates even more fuel for fires.
     
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    Precisely.

    FU! FU! FU! FU!... Oh, now I want your money... FU! FU! FU! etc. etc...
     
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    As far as I am concerned, the SOTC is no longer part of the USA and only 49 States remain. The SOTC does not abide by their own State Constitution, let alone the Federal Constitution. They are their own Oligarchy now. The remaining 49 States ought to extend the border wall up and around the SOTC too...
     
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    Most everything you mention above is wrong and/or misguided.

    Mismanagement DOES NOT allow fires to spread like crazy?? The root issue in these fires is extreme high winds, prolonged winds, in some areas up to 100mph. Fires happen all the time in these areas but almost never when coupled with the high winds. Local fires with no wind are extinguished within a few minutes!

    Duh...85% of fires are started by humans! What do you suggest we do about the humans?

    You need to do some reading? There are fires in lots of places other than CA including Alaska!

    Please explain how you can fix humans starting fires and high winds?

    You are clueless about what CA does so you should not assume or speculate...
     
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    Thank you for your deep thoughts and comments on the TOPIC...
     
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    If only it were possible to remove CA from the US...the economy of CA is the 5th largest in the world! That would be great for YOU to experience!!
     
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    And yet, they're broke...
     

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