Donald Trump impeachment inquiry releases testimony of Ukraine envoy Marie Yovanovitch

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  1. Bush Lawyer

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    The discourse here in Australia is that Trump had to get her out of the way as he considered she would be an impediment to his cause to have Ukraine give him dirt on Biden.
     
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    If trump wanted dirt on Biden from Ukrainian officials, all he has to do is pay a law firm to hire a foreign spy, to talk to Ukrainian spies, write a dossier based on the info, and then write the whole process off as legal fees. Democrats would give this a total pass.
     
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    She's a never Trumper, he had every right to fire her; Austrailia not withstanding.
     
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    Yah but once he turned it over to the fbi, and nobody knew it about it until after the election, it wouldn’t be much help.
     
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    Yeah, you're 10 hours late :). Your buddy @MrTLegal rushed over here in the state of extreme excitement and agitation to share the breaking news that the swamp, the unelected Washington bureaucracy really really really does not like president Trump and they are really really really sure that they, the bureaucrats and not the duly elected US president are entitled to define and execute US foreign policy.

    And you summarized the gist of her testimony quite well too. Kudos. She unexpectedly found out that she was working at the pleasure of the President, not the other way around... or and she found out that the president was not very pleased with her performance too. The rest of her 300 page testimony is the bitching of a disgruntled ex-employee about her transition from being an employee to becoming an ex-employee.

    Any more bombshells in here testimony were discovered down under? ;) :D
     
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    Yup!

    ICYMI:

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    Democrats always accuse Republicans of the crimes that Democrats are actually guilty of. It's their twisted form of confession and purging.
     
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    What has that got to do with Trump/Giuliani leaning on her to the point of sacking her?
     
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    What exactly is the problem with her being sacked? Has she been denied unemployment benefits? It's outrageous if she has. I'll be the first to condemn the labor department, where do I sign up?
     
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    Well, why did she need to be sacked is the better question. The obvious speculation is that she was a potential prophylactic on the prick of Potus's progress into getting Ukraine to deliver dirt on Biden.
     
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    I was replying to this comment:
    The "charge" against Trump is that he demanded that a foreign government interfere in a US election with the demand backed up by withholding aid, even though the transcript does not support this, and the aid was released without Ukraine doing any investigation of Biden at the request of Trump.

    As for the weird way that Democrats confess and purge their own crimes by accusing Republicans of them:

    Ukraine DID interfere in the 2016 election in an attempt to help Hillary. Was it at the request of the Obama Administration? Well, clearly the Obama Administration had the ability to pull strings and force even the firing of a Ukraine Prosecutor. Can you imagine if Trump demanded a foreign nation fire their top prosecutor, gave them a 6 hour deadline to either fire him or lose a $Billion in aid? That's what I mean by Democrats accuse Republicans of what Democrats are actually guilty of.

    Take the investigation of the Trump Campaign. The CIA and the FBI coordinated with a Maltese, several Russians, Australians Brits and probably Italians at a minimum, first to spy on the Trump campaign and then to drive him from office. Once again, Democrats accuse Republicans of what Democrats are actually guilty of.

    Trump's envoys answer to Trump, not the other way around. The Constitution empowers The President to conduct Foreign Policy, not self-important envoys. Constitutionally, a president does not need to have a reason to remove an ambassador.

    Mueller’s two-year investigation, as well as the pending Justice Department inspector-general and Barr/Durham probes, to some extent all involve collusion with foreign powers in connection with political campaigns. It is fair game for the Trump campaign to explore whether the Bidens cashed in overseas on Vice President Biden’s political influence; and if Giuliani, as the president’s private lawyer, found any evidence of possible U.S. law violations, those would appropriately be referred to the Justice Department.

    To pretend that this is an impeachable offense is overwrought. The Bidens’ behavior is highly questionable. The Obama administration liberally enlisted foreign powers in the politicized investigation of Trump, while the Clinton campaign colluded with foreign powers to tar Trump. As president, Trump removed his hold on Ukrainian aid and Kyiv made no commitment to investigate the Bidens.
     
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    So what?

    Yavanovitch objected to Trump utilizing Giuliani as he saw fit, and it's none of her damn business. We elected Trump, not her. It is the President that is Constitutionally empowered to conduct Foreign Policy, not her. She is delegated by Trump to represent his position, and if she cannot do that, she should resign.

    It it is simply a fact that presidents occasionally deploy influential nongovernment officials as their envoys. It is also a fact that the Obama administration colluded with elements of the bureaucracy — particularly the law-enforcement, intelligence, and diplomatic agencies — to undermine Trump’s campaign and presidency. Let's not pretend that the progressive governing establishment’s insubordinate machinations have not occurred. If President Trump believes the unaccountable federal bureaucracy works against him because it thinks it knows better, that is not merely a figment of his imagination.

    There is no legal bar to the president’s using trusted outside advisers as envoys. Constitutionally, a president does not need to have a reason to remove an ambassador. Democrats in Congress are using their impeachment inquiry to explore whether Yovanovitch was reassigned because she was an obstacle to the president’s push for Ukraine to investigate the Bidens. Ultimately the aid was released with no commitment by Ukraine to investigate the Bidens, but that mess just got messier.

    Hunter Biden’s Ukraine gas firm pressed Obama administration to end corruption allegations and memos back this up.

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    See if you can pick out Hunter's Dad.
    Hunter Biden and his Ukrainian gas firm colleagues had multiple contacts with the Obama State Department during the 2016 election cycle, including one just a month before Vice President Joe Biden forced Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating his son’s company for corruption, newly released memos show.

    During that February 2016 contact, a U.S. representative for Burisma Holdings sought a meeting with Undersecretary of State Catherine A. Novelli to discuss ending the corruption allegations against the Ukrainian firm where Hunter Biden worked as a board member, according to memos obtained under a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.

    Just three weeks before Burisma’s overture to State, Ukrainian authorities raided the home of the oligarch who owned the gas firm and employed Hunter Biden, a signal the long-running corruption probe was escalating in the middle of the U.S. presidential election.

    Hunter Biden’s name, in fact, was specifically invoked by the Burisma representative as a reason the State Department should help, according to a series of email exchanges among U.S. officials trying to arrange the meeting. The subject line for
    the email exchanges read simply “Burisma.”

    “Per our conversation, Karen Tramontano of Blue Star Strategies requested a meeting to discuss with U/S Novelli USG remarks alleging Burisma (Ukrainian energy company) of corruption,” a Feb. 24, 2016, email between State officials read. “She noted that two high profile U.S. citizens are affiliated with the company (including Hunter Biden as a board member).

    So Yavanovich may not have approved, but it wasn't her call, it was The President's and the more that comes out, the more well-founded these concerns about the Biden's are proving to be.

    The House needs to impeach as soon as possible, there is a great deal to be uncovered in The Senate Trial.
     
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    You mean at the pleasure of Igor and Lev
     
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    Yes. The transcript is not the only evidence. Tell me why Trump with-held the aid and why he then released it.



    How?

    And neither Obama nor Biden deny that they hammered Ukraine to sack a lazy prosecutor, (or lose $B1 in aid) one who allegedly was going slow even on Burisma.

    Fine by me. Get right up the lot of them. I am an equal opportunity commentator.

    Sure, but not without consequences, as you are seeing.

    Go for it. But....Trump does not (without attracting the very crabs heading his way right now) get to leverage US taxpayer aid to Ukraine to motivate them to provide dirt to assist Donald in the current election campaign.

    Why did he 'remove his hold on Ukrainian aid? Can you assure me that Ukraine is not co-operating with Rudy as we speak?
     
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    what Australian's think who haven't even heard one side of the story is irrelevant
     
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    Here’s her story...
    Lev and ignore (and Rudy?), employed by a mob connected Russian criminal, bribed Sessions to complain about her and say she had mouthed trump. That leaked so another trump buddy, DiGenova goes on Hannity saying the same. DiGenova also works for the same guy as Igor and Lev.
    Eventually she gets fired. Now this makes trump sound petty; but unaware of the scheme.
     
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    The aid that Trump briefly withheld was originally withheld by Obama, and Obama NEVER released it. You tell me why Obama NEVER released it.

    Trump did release it, and added another $140M to it, despite no commitment by Ukraine to investigate the Biden's.
    Great Question:

    Ukraine actively worked with US Democrats to damage Donald Trump's election chances in 2016 per top prosecutor in Kiev.

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    Prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko has announcing a new investigation citing a court ruling that Ukrainians unlawfully interfered in OUR 2016 election.
    It's our job to decide when a foreign nation should fire their top prosecutor? And you are fine with open blackmail to accomplish this but you quail over an inferred contemplation of a quid pro quo that was never even carried out? I'll need popcorn as that is explained at the Senate trial.
    I hope they are. We need to get to the bottom of the foreign influence on our 2016 Presidential election, so far all the foreign influence that we can be sure of was coordinated by Democrats and it looks like "impeachment" is their last hail Mary to try to keep their crimes concealed, and I don't expect their attempted Cover-Up and Obstruction to work.

    Dem Chickens, is coming home to roost!
     
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    This Aussie has heard just as much as you have Mr. Allen. Thing is...this Aussie comes into this with no Party bias or affiliation, just an openly admitted confession that I despise Trump as a human being. He is a personal grub, and whatever you say he has achieved there, I say has come at the price of another trillion US dollars to the deficit he said he would reduce. Laughable that he calls others who merely disagree with him, 'scum.'
     
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    You must be referring to something I am unaware of. I know that Obama/Biden held up $B1 in US aid, and then delivered after Ukraine did what the US wanted...sack the then Prosecutor.

    So....why did he release it and add another $M140?

    Fine. No skin off my nose. I don't care.

    Well...that's the way the cookie crumbles. If you want US aid, if the US wants something from you as a condition of your getting that aid, the ball is in your court. Entirely up to you.

    Yes.

    Get the popcorn in. Trump leveraged US taxpayer aid to get something to assist NOT the interests of the USA, RATHER, the personal political election interests of none other than DONALD JOHN TRUMP.

    Also...fine by me. Let ALL dem chickens come home to roost. The US needs it large.
     
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    Finding out if the Bidens were in a corrupt arrangement selling the office of the Vice Presidency IS in the interest of the United States, further, the aid was not withheld even though Ukraine did not commit to investigating Biden.

    But, hopefully someone is looking into this.

    Republicans are also eager to depose Schiff on his coordination with the Whistle Blower that the Whistle Blower committed perjury on and Schiff lied about.

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    Rep. Devin Nunes: GOP’s First Witness to Testify in Impeachment Hearing WILL BE ADAM SCHIFF
     
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    It is mind-numbingly obvious that Burisma put Hunter onto its Board because his surname was Biden. But, that's the way commerce works isn't it. On almost every US Corporation Board, you will find some numpty is there because he might be able to open business doors.

    Goodo. I concede it.

    No skin off my nose.
     
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    Because she was an Obama holdover who refused Visas to Ukranians who wanted to come to the US to investigate the Biden scandal.
     
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    It is illegal for a US elected official to use their office to enrich their family.
     
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    I think it was telling that she said. The investigator that replaced the one Biden canned. Is " cut from the same cloth"

    The idea that Biden got rid ofvthis guy to clean up corruption is false, a lie.
     
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    Like holding a no bid conference of world leaders at one of your private resorts?

    I agree, illegal.
     

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