Trump calls for 'war' against Mexican drug cartel 'monsters' after Americans murdered

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  1. ModCon

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    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...monsters-after-americans-murdered-in-shootout

    I agree with the President, it's time for military intervention. I've opposed the idea of the U.S. military having a combat role against Mexican cartels for years, but this does it for me. This crosses a line that they should've known not to cross. The Mexican president is soft and foolish, and who knows... perhaps dirty and involved with cartel.
     
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    When you decide to go to any of these Third World piss-pots, Mexico included, restrict your travels to completely sequestered resorts and tourist attractions where the owners have already paid-off both the local "police" and the criminal cartels. Then you can stuff yourselves, get drunk, and have fun to your heart's delight. For your own good, stay far away from anywhere else....
     
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    Only if they pull the military back from foreign wars that are nothing to do with us and deploy those troops to defend the US and it's citizens.
     
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    I basically agree.
     
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    Mexico needs to step up for their own country, but no way should the USA go there unless asked.
     
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    The problem with cartels is like jihadist organizations. Killing them is just cutting the weed but letting the roots deep in the earth. You have to pull of the evil deep from where it come.

    I suppose it's time to stop the prohibition about cannabis. Prohibition of alcohol didn't solved neither alcoholism but enabled people like Al Capone to become powerfull. If you legalize cannabis, you would starve the cartels to death, by the way, you have aswell to put the members of those cartels in prison until they die.
     
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    They're incapable and incompetent. I'd agree that a full on invasion would be unwise, but if I had the authority, I'd drone the bejesus out of the cartels... and the Mexican government would be wise to sit down and shut up.
     
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    Another incompetent threat from an incompetent moron.
     
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    Why not keep the arms from flowing across the border into the drug lords’ hands. Thanks to our non existent gun laws, we are the primary supplier of arms into Mexico.
     
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    Seals and Delta Force, onward and in.
     
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    No you wouldn't. They have a hand in all illicit drugs, amongst all other types of criminal activity.
     
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    Mexico only has one gun store, that's no typo, and it's Mexican government controlled.

    "Mexicans have a right to own firearms,[1] but legal purchase from the single Mexican gun shop in Mexico City, controlled by the Army, is extremely difficult.[2] Guns smuggled into Mexico are sometimes obtained at gunshops in the United States and carried across the US-Mexico border.[3][4] In other cases the guns are obtained through Guatemalan borders[5] or stolen from the police or military.[6] Consequently, black market firearms are widely available. Many firearms are acquired in the U.S. by women with no criminal history, who transfer their purchases to smugglers through relatives, boyfriends and acquaintances who then smuggle them to Mexico a few at a time.[7] The most common smuggled firearms include AR-15 and AK-47 type rifles, and FN 5.7 caliber semi-automatic pistols. Many firearms are purchased in the United States in a semi-automatic configuration before being converted to fire as select fire machine guns.[8] Mexico seized in 2009 a combined total of more than 4,400 firearms of the AK-47 and AR-15 type, and 30% of AK-47 type rifles seized have been modified to select fire weapons, effectively creating assault rifles.[9]"
     
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    Sure, good idea, but they have the wealth and connections to find other suppliers.
     
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    Waiting for the media "it's wrong to call human beings monsters" freakout

    Waiting for the Dems' "you need Congress authorization to declare war, dictator you" outrage

    Waiting for fact checkers "mostly false, cartel members are humans, not monsters" rating

    :D
     
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    Ain't gonna happen, Jay. The LAST thing we need right now is a boots-on-the-ground military confrontation with Mexico.

    BUT... what we should do is slam the border SHUT to all immigration for at least five years! And, if invaders continue to pour over the southern border into our country illegally, have our military shoot them on sight. Armed surveillance drones would work particularly well (and economically) for this purpose....
     
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    Don't think so. One is based on deeply held religious beliefs where martyrdom is celebrated and the other is based on money.

    An optimistic idea I once shared but it never really worked over time. Amsterdam is a good example.
     
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    Cannabis is the drug that give them the most money, they would be extremly weakened. If you have to legalize other drugs, do it. Prohibition failed in the 30's, it's failing again.

    Drugs disgust me, potheads annoy me. Legalize create other problems by the way, but between legalize drugs and cartels, legalize is the lesser evil. Southern america countries are in war with drug cartels for decades : they failed.

    Most wars are ressources war. The victor is almost always the one who manage to get the best supply of provisions.

    You want to repeat the same mistakes that many did before you. You're hoping that the same conditions would create different results. That will not.

    Yes, cartels are sickening. Yes, I feel anger when I read about the horrors they commit, but should we really let them take possession of our soul ? When fighting such evil, the only thing that matter is victory. Just shooting them doesn't work.
     
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    Would you shut the border, apart from commerce, in both directions? That would get their attention.
     
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    Seals and Delta Force onward and in. For the kills.
     
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    So, what's the plan? And don't think this isn't an original idea, it's been done before. But anyway, do you intend to invade other countries with our armed forces? And you do realize the cartels are used to operating in a war like mode. They fight all the time with other cartels and other criminal organizations as well as other governments so it's not like they are just lying around or easy targets.
     
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    Well, it's not the only solution. It's true that Mexico is the children of Aztecs and Conquistadors, two extremly violent people. I suppose that the money should go also in prevention/rehabilitation center.
    Just legalizing isn't a solution itself. Prevention, helping addicts is I suppose a better way to do, and by taxing drugs, you can make them paying their own cost to society.

    BTW, the drug culture such as promoted by a part of "musician" is a deep problem aswell.
     
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    Plus surveillance and drones.
     
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    Just Mexico is being discussed and those cartels, without the aid of the corrupt Mexican government and bureaucracy, would not be much opposition.

    However we can send them a strongly worded letter and hope the situation improves over time.
     
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    How would you mitigate the risk to Americans both in our country and abroad? Because the cartels will retaliate. They are all about revenge, just like any criminal organization. And they have the means to kill Americans here in this country, don't fool yourself into thinking they can't. They can do it easier than Islamic terrorists can.
     

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