Republicans call for transparency in impeachment inquiry

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  1. RodB

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    You say it didn't happen. Ukraine says it did.

    Next.
     
  2. Lee Atwater

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    Prove it.
     
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    Then pray tell why did the DNC ask Ukraine for help in digging up dirt on Manafort? Just didn't have anything better to do at the time????
     
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    Whatever characterizations you need to contrive for Democratic members of the committees are applicable to Republican members as well, yes. You fake claim that Democrats are licensed by the Chairman to leak while Republicans are denied such a privilege is nonsense, of course.
     
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    Manafort, represented by counsel, was indicted, tried, convicted, and sentenced (in contrast to unAmerican mobs who stridently insist that political opponents should be "locked up" without due process.)

    As noted, the crimes of which Manafort was convicted have no relation to his capacity as Trump's Campaign Chairman, and Alexa Chalupa had brought his sordid machinations to the attention of Ukrainian authorities prior to his being hired by Trump.
     
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    How about you prove it didn't???
     
  7. Lee Atwater

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    Gee Rod, I can't count how many times you dismissed all manner of reports yesterday because you claimed they were only opinions. Now you can't back up your own assertion. Can you prove it or not?
     
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    But in my post that you replied to I agreed the Republicans and Democrats have the same right of surreptitious, scurrilous and totally improper leaks.
     
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    And your reply has no relation to my claim.
     
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    Yes, but why bother?
     
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    Since you can't prove it the next logical question to ask is how did you come to believe such utter nonsense?

    What you need to be asking yourself is..............how many other things you believe are utter nonsense and how did you come to believe them?
     
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    Goodo on you. There are those who promulgate the fake claim that there is a disparity.
     
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    I explained that bringing Manafort's nefarious activities to the attention of Ukrainian officials was not an assault upon Trumpery since the dirt bag had not been hired by Trump (who only hires the "best people") until later.
     
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    Even a nutjob like Trey can't abide some of the Liar-in-Chief's more egregious lies.

    Jim Jordan Shoots Down Trump’s ‘Fake Transcripts’ Claim

    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/jordan-whistleblower-impeachment-inquiry-transcripts

    Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) isn’t exactly willing to endorse President Trump’s claim that House Democrats could release altered transcripts from their impeachment depositions.

    According to CNN Monday, while reiterating his argument that he wants all transcripts of the impeachment inquiry released, Jordan said that the transcripts that House Intel Chair Adam Schiff (D-CA) would release would be real — contradicting Trump’s Sunday tweet that if Schiff releases the transcripts “he will change the words.”
     
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    What you need to be asking yourself is..............how many things you believe are utter nonsense and how did you come to believe them?
     
  16. Lee Atwater

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    My apologies for humiliating you to the point you resorted to this..........Yes, but why bother?...........when asked to substantiate your claim.................which you could not do. This isn't getting any better for you.
     
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    Manafort's activities were brought to the attention of the DNC and had nothing to do with Manafort as campaign manager.
     
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    Oh, why not. Part of my reluctance and difficulty is the near impossibility of finding any media reports that are favorable to Trump or or not favorable to Democrats -- they don't write that news anymore. But I did find a report in Politico which was a detailed description of the DNC asking, starting in January 2016, Ukraine for help with the Democrats defeat of Trump. And it wasn't 'sounded like' and you do not need to parse the hell out of it to draw a picture.
    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

    I don't expect you to accept this.
     
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    well I though I would be nice. See post 168.
     
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    That's what I have explained to you.
     
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    You should try living in reality...
     
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    I guess the question is why the explanation, and what has it to do with the DNC soliciting campaign help for Ukraine in 2016?
     
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    I'm familiar with the article. I read it about a month ago. Have you? Cuz it is a paper thin allegation you've made. I suggest you read the piece again and then ask yourself this question. Are you implying what you are alleging the DNC did was illegal? If so, why wouldn't what Trump did be illegal?
     
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    You bolded the last part, so what?

    Trump isn't required to utilize the Swamp. Personal Envoys may be used by the President and routinely are.

    President Kennedy establishing a back channel to the Soviets — before he even took office — through his brother, Robert F. Kennedy. RFK became attorney general in JFK's administration but never held a remit in foreign policy — circumstances not dissimilar to Giulani's.

    Robert Kennedy met at least 31 times with Major Georgij Nikitovich Bol'shakov of the GRU. RFK conducted wide-ranging conversations with Georgij Nikitovich from 1960 to 1962.

    Their conversations defused the tensest moments of the Cold War, notably the Bay of Pigs aftermath and the subsequent Cuban Missile Crisis. The U.S. foreign policy establishment — and the American military — were proposing options whose outcomes were certain to be ugly. President Kennedy was able to skirt a global nuclear war because Soviet leaders developed some degree of trust in Kennedy. They believed their agent, Georgij Nikitovich. President Kennedy was able to get the Politburo to accept his challenging proposals as genuine, something the feckless State Department could not do. Neither the State Department nor the military accepted JFK's proposals to the USSR with any conviction. Yet those proposals prevented nuclear war on more than one occasion.

    Should Kennedy have been impeached for establishing a back channel to the USSR leadership? The only real difference between Kennedy's back channel to the USSR and Trump's back channel to Ukraine is that Trump's back channel has been exposed by jealous foreign policy mandarins through their agents in the media.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blo...ennedy_have_been_impeached.html#ixzz64TdbFz40
     
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